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God Himself Could Not Sink This Ship: Thoughts on Marten, Claire, and the Future
Omega Entity:
--- Quote from: Gladstone on 27 Feb 2015, 19:23 ---
--- Quote from: Omega Entity on 27 Feb 2015, 18:53 ---In all seriousness, when an artist/writer has to constantly second-guess themselves on if something can possibly be interpreted in a way that in no way resembles what they intended it as, I'd personally not blame the whole lot of them if they gave up their artistic implements of choice. Some people look for ways to be offended by things when no offense or hidden meaning was intended or there in the first place.
None of this is directed at anyone in particular, but as a general commentary on something that seems to come up more and more frequently. It has to be tiring, to constantly be searching for the worst possible way something can be read into and always assuming the worst of people.
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Yeah, I get what you're saying. But my point was that killing off the only trans character, in a comic in which no member of the cast has ever been killed off (and the only actual death depicted was in flashbacks), would be received rather poorly, and for good reason, because LGBT characters have a habit of being killed off for dramatic purposes in other media. Claire adding to the count would forever cement her as "the trans character who died so that Marten and Faye could get together," which is probably not something Jeph wants to be known for, unless he wants 4chan to like him.
But yeah, I think I've said enough on this topic, so I'm going to go away for a bit to calm down.
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Yeah, I see where you're coming from too. I myself am not a fan of over-the-top dramatic deaths in things in an otherwise-mostly-lighthearted comic.
But I guess my concern is, will the status (sex, gender, ethnicity, disability,etc. and so on) of a fictional character ever be inconsequential and not even be thought of in regards to plot devices (outside of where it has significant relevance to the plot itself, of course), or will we never reach a point where a person who is different than the majority, in one way or another, isn't treated by the creators and their mediums as a precious vase on a pedestal, that can never be removed (be it death, written out, or otherwise) without fear of being accused of some rather unsavory and unfair judgments about their motivations in doing so?
Obviously it's a very sensitive subject, and rightly so - a lot of these things are only just beginning to become accepted in the mainstream, there's a lot of hurt associated with it, and there's a long way to go. But I also feel that -over-sensitivity can do a fair deal of damage in how situations are perceived by the masses as a whole, and in the long run will make such things harder for said masses to embrace.
Aziraphale:
--- Quote from: Endellion on 27 Feb 2015, 19:35 ---
--- Quote from: Gladstone on 27 Feb 2015, 18:59 ---
--- Quote from: Endellion on 27 Feb 2015, 18:49 ---But-but-but, this is foreshadowed right here on the bottle! It's meant to be!
(J/k'ing if it wasn't completely obvious)
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Ah, but that's Fartin. Meaning, Faye is going to meet someone named Martin (Martin Reid, that is), and spend the rest of the comic enduring jokes about the similarities. Marten Reed will, of course, be oblivious.
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Nonono, Martin Reed is Marten Reed's clone made from this blood sample and genetically aged by Ellicott-Chatham technology. In about 50 strips time he'll replace Marten in a diabolical scheme involving an aardvark and dumped in the Stony River Quarry (used earlier to dump Angus' body when he was going back to patch things up with Faye).
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Speaking of Chekov's Gun, the blood sample's a huge one if it wasn't a throwaway gag. I'm guessing it was, but it does leave the door open for some interesting possibilities.
Endellion:
--- Quote from: Aziraphale on 27 Feb 2015, 19:40 ---
--- Quote from: Endellion on 27 Feb 2015, 19:35 ---
--- Quote from: Gladstone on 27 Feb 2015, 18:59 ---
--- Quote from: Endellion on 27 Feb 2015, 18:49 ---But-but-but, this is foreshadowed right here on the bottle! It's meant to be!
(J/k'ing if it wasn't completely obvious)
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Ah, but that's Fartin. Meaning, Faye is going to meet someone named Martin (Martin Reid, that is), and spend the rest of the comic enduring jokes about the similarities. Marten Reed will, of course, be oblivious.
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Nonono, Martin Reed is Marten Reed's clone made from this blood sample and genetically aged by Ellicott-Chatham technology. In about 50 strips time he'll replace Marten in a diabolical scheme involving an aardvark and dumped in the Stony River Quarry (used earlier to dump Angus' body when he was going back to patch things up with Faye).
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Speaking of Chekov's Gun, the blood sample's a huge one if it wasn't a throwaway gag. I'm guessing it was, but it does leave the door open for some interesting possibilities.
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If Jeph brings it up again it will probably be for reasons that Hanners outlines here.
Masterpiece:
Not relevant at all to this thread, but I feel weird seeing Endellions posts and thinking "wait when did I write this?"
This message is coming from Tapatalk inside my phone!
Endellion:
--- Quote from: Masterpiece on 27 Feb 2015, 22:21 ---Not relevant at all to this thread, but I feel weird seeing Endellions posts and thinking "wait when did I write this?"
This message is coming from Tapatalk inside my phone!
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Well this is awkward, it's like turning up at an event in exactly the same outfit as someone else :oops:
Time to find another claireface for m'self
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