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God Himself Could Not Sink This Ship: Thoughts on Marten, Claire, and the Future

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anahata:

--- Quote from: big89 on 02 Mar 2015, 20:37 ---I'm going to take this in a different direction and say that I'm honestly surprised that Marten went for Claire after expressing how he doesn't care to have sex with a trans woman (Read comic 615).

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He didn't exactly say that. The hypothetical scenario being acted out by both Dora and Marten was Dora announcing her status after they've had sex and are well into their relationship. It would be the revelation of a deception, which is a very different matter from mentioning it before the relationship has even started, as happened with Claire. In the latter case his mind isn't shattered because he's had plenty of time to mentally adjust to the idea.

And anyway, they were just joking around and over-reacting for comic effect...

plusorminus:

--- Quote from: Meilu on 23 Feb 2015, 21:33 ---I love Claire. I don't see her and Marten stating together mainly because this is her first relationship. Ultimately those rarely ever last. It's a good fot for Marten, but in my view because of her lack of experience it isn't a good fit for her.

I forsee a break-up (eventually) followed by a reconciliation (way in the future). Then maybe wedding bells and what have you...

I apologize for brevity and grammar, stuck on a phone due to burglary.

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I don't see this, really, any more than I see this happening for Marten and Dora. I do see this happening for Marten and Padma, though.

I think that Claire will start to chafe at Marten's lack of ambition (or the perceived lack of it) and Marten may try to "do stuff" to please her and feel annoyed or something along those lines, but it will lead to a "It's not you it's me" situation. They likely will stay friends. Alternately, Claire might get a gig in a high-powered archive halfway across the country or the world, and just as Marten was loath to move in with Dora without Faye, he likely will not be ready or willing to move with Claire.

I know the Padma question has been tabled for now, but I don't think it was an accident that she is made to have been from California and she throws out the "I wish I'd met you a year earlier," which is something that could have happened if Marten had tried to wait Faye out and/or Dora hadn't asked him out. I feel she is Marten's One and he is hers, and she will appear again.

I think Claire will experience a lot of growth and be less afraid to approach cis males in future, but I don't see her and Marten as endgame and I don't see her dying, either. :/

ETA: Sorry about the burglary!

jwhouk:
I don't think Marten has a "one". The OTP that we were led to believe would happen got torpedoed after strip 500-511.

plusorminus:

--- Quote from: jwhouk on 10 Mar 2015, 12:31 ---I don't think Marten has a "one". The OTP that we were led to believe would happen got torpedoed after strip 500-511.

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I don't mean to be contrary, but did you really believe that? I'm genuinely curious. I discovered this comic I believe through an LJ thread and I was intrigued because I, too, lost my father unexpectedly when I was about Faye's age (not to suicide), and the LJ chatter happened in the aftermath of The Talk. I had not ever seen grief of a daughter for a father in a webcomic and so I was intrigued and read through those strips. I then decided I needed context and spent the next couple of days binge-reading the comic, and I have to say at no time did I believe that Marten and Faye were going to be together. I actually thought Marten was going to hook up with Raven in one of those pairings of a zany dreamer and a sort of straight-laced dude, a Dharma and Greg sort of thing I guess. And considering the women that seemed to capture Marten's attention and the way she treated him, I often had to suspend my disbelief that Marten would be interested in Faye in the first place. But I came in after the blood had been spilled, more or less, and I don't know how I'd feel if I'd started reading from the beginning or if I'd started at another point in the comic (i.e. the Marten/Dora breakup).

But, topic: Maybe Marten doesn't have a one, but if he does, I think it's Padma. She's the only really loose thread in his dating history. Faye closed the door, Dora and California Girl dumped him, the Space Soldier wasn't interested and Delilah only wanted an ONS, and Claire is an open question. With Padma, stuff just ... ended. Neither of them wanted it to, but it did, and Marten turned the page because there wasn't really anything he could do. *shrugs* JMO.

Gladstone:

--- Quote from: plusorminus on 10 Mar 2015, 13:20 ---I think Marten and Faye were set up in the beginning to do the will-they-or-won't-they dance, but as jwouk said above, that ship has sunk. 
But, topic: Maybe Marten doesn't have a one, but if he does, I think it's Padma. She's the only really loose thread in his dating history. Faye closed the door, Dora and California Girl dumped him, the Space Soldier wasn't interested and Delilah only wanted an ONS, and Claire is an open question. With Padma, stuff just ... ended. Neither of them wanted it to, but it did, and Marten turned the page because there wasn't really anything he could do. *shrugs* JMO.

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I liked Padma too, thought that she and Marten could've made a good couple, and was a bit disappointed that their fling ended (just imagine if circumstances had been different and they were still together when Veronica decided to move to Northampton with Jim.  That would've been fun), but I think they've both accepted that things are over between them, and I can't see anything that would cause Padma to move back to give Marten another try, short of baby drama, which Jeph doesn't do.


--- Quote from: plusorminus ---I think that Claire will start to chafe at Marten's lack of ambition (or the perceived lack of it) and Marten may try to "do stuff" to please her and feel annoyed or something along those lines, but it will lead to a "It's not you it's me" situation. They likely will stay friends. Alternately, Claire might get a gig in a high-powered archive halfway across the country or the world, and just as Marten was loath to move in with Dora without Faye, he likely will not be ready or willing to move with Claire.

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I think Claire will experience a lot of growth and be less afraid to approach cis males in future, but I don't see her and Marten as endgame and I don't see her dying, either. :/

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That's always a possibility.  Claire's ambitions and Marten's own are something I hope we get to explore for several years (our time), and it's moments like these that I wish I had access to a time machine so I could jump ahead and binge-read all the comics I missed in between, rather than waiting for them one day at a time like everyone else. 

"All of time and space, anything that ever happened or ever will, where do you want to go first?"
"Uh, do you mind popping ahead to, say, 2020?  I wanna see if my favorite webcomic is still running."

I would make a terrible Companion.

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