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WCDT 2907-2911 (2nd - 6th March 2015)
explicit:
That one, you got it, you get a star.
That said, there is a difference between Marigold and people who have diagnosed with BPD. I wasn't trying to say she has it, just that are people who cannot control the driving away thing.
ReindeerFlotilla:
--- Quote from: Mr. Black Licorice on 05 Mar 2015, 12:33 ---Eh - it is annoying. However, it's how some of our fellow patrons find enjoyment in the comic. And who are we to tell them they are having wrong-fun?
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Indeed. And I didn't say they were having wrong fun. I implied that was my opinion, but I said "be open to the feedback from others rather than reaching for the easy 'but it's analysis' justification."
Let me give you an example: I don't really like Pintsize or Winslow. They don't serve any real purpose other than to fill a role that was common in the webcomic framework when QC started. QC doesn't really need them. (I don't see them as mistakes, however. If Jeph hadn't felt compelled to fill that role, we would not have Momo, who is an interesting character.)
However, and this is the kicker, I don't take every appearance of these characters as an opportunity to wax rhapsodic about how they are terrible characters. Because it doesn't add anything to the conversation. I could. I could go on about how it would be nice to see Pintsize's antics as signs that he's growing as a character. That would even be justified under the framework I'm arguing from. But why? Just to share my opinion?
Okay. But when people start saying that opinion is getting tired, like a top 40 song, it is worth listening to those people. A noted President once said, "Let us define progress to mean that simply because we can do a thing, it does not follow that we must do that thing." I'm not saying that a thing *IS* "wrong fun." Just that simply because you can have fun knowing that it is at the expense of the enjoyment of others, it does not follow that you must have fun in that manner. It's a community. So, maybe consider the other people in the community when they are giving you feedback.
--- Quote from: Mr. Black Licorice on 05 Mar 2015, 12:33 ---True. It's sort of like dissecting road kill - but if that's your thing... I, on the other hand, kinda enjoy the opposite. Someone says one lump of carrion is a liver, and I point out that it looks exactly like the other lump several inches to the left. They argue that it's where the liver is supposed to be. I argue that OF COURSE that's where it's supposed to be, but if things weren't moved around drastically when the beastie got mowed down, it would still be alive, now, wouldn't it?
In the end, we're both standing in the middle of the road poking at a dead animal. That's sorta like reading a daily comic, isn't it?
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I suppose, but it is why we are all here. Which is why I'm suggesting that perhaps we pause in our argument long enough to be aware of oncoming traffic, and maybe move over to the shoulder.
--- Quote from: aphanisis81 on 05 Mar 2015, 12:56 ---There's a medium-to-strong possibility that I misinterpreted your post to which I was responding. I stand by my arguments about reading into things, but I also see now that it's near-irrelevant to what you were saying.
Mea culpa. (Especially for calling you boring. I'm a dick sometimes. And nothing is more ridiculous than a pedantic dick who's wrong, to paraphrase David Foster Wallace.)
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It is unquestionable that I take a rather dim view of being told what I think, or what I said. This may have something to with fact that it was common thing for my abusers to do. That said, I wasn't upset to any real degree and I did not take your comment as a personal attack. There's nothing to apologize for, but I am grateful that you made the effort.
neurocase:
I will verify my previous post (in which I referred to Marigold as, among other things, a petulant woman-child) by saying that I am not only an introvert myself, but I have Aspergers. Not some flimsy self-diagnosis of it either; I've done the official nine yards.
So to reiterate? I'm an introvert on the autism spectrum and even I think Marigold is being a douche right now. She's socially stunted, sure, but even she couldn't possibly be so socially stunted as to not realize that she should at least be making an effort to appear interested in what her closest and most dependable (human) friend is saying to her. The last panel with her mentioning "getting the bear part right" says to me that she wasn't just absorbed in her book and forgetting to listen; she was consciously trying to tune Hannelore out. Even if she doesn't care about Marten and Co's predicaments and drama, that's a shitty thing to do. It's obvious from art alone that Hanners is probably stressed as hell in this moment, and is visibly upset that Marigold isn't listening.
Hannelore's closest friends aside from Marigold are Faye, Marten, and Dora. She's already spoken with Dora, and given the situation, Faye and Marten aren't in a position to really comfort her after the emotional strain that she's been through as well. Hannelore is reaching out for someone by venting -someone, I might add, to whom she has impacted greatly in a very positive way for hundreds of strips- and she's being met with a resounding "meh". Stunted or not, Marigold's shown some capacity for understanding the most basic of social protocols, and she damn well knows enough by now to not be doing this by accident. She's just self-centered.
tl;dr: Marigold isn't being socially ill-equipped, she's just being a shitty person.
Mr. Black Licorice:
--- Quote from: ReindeerFlotilla on 05 Mar 2015, 13:59 ---
--- Quote from: Mr. Black Licorice on 05 Mar 2015, 12:33 ---Eh - it is annoying. However, it's how some of our fellow patrons find enjoyment in the comic. And who are we to tell them they are having wrong-fun?
--- End quote ---
Indeed. And I didn't say they were having wrong fun. I implied that was my opinion, but I said "be open to the feedback from others rather than reaching for the easy 'but it's analysis' justification."
Let me give you an example: I don't really like Pintsize or Winslow. They don't serve any real purpose other than to fill a role that was common in the webcomic framework when QC started. QC doesn't really need them. (I don't see them as mistakes, however. If Jeph hadn't felt compelled to fill that role, we would not have Momo, who is an interesting character.)
However, and this is the kicker, I don't take every appearance of these characters as an opportunity to wax rhapsodic about how they are terrible characters. Because it doesn't add anything to the conversation. I could. I could go on about how it would be nice to see Pintsize's antics as signs that he's growing as a character. That would even be justified under the framework I'm arguing from. But why? Just to share my opinion?
Okay. But when people start saying that opinion is getting tired, like a top 40 song, it is worth listening to those people. A noted President once said, "Let us define progress to mean that simply because we can do a thing, it does not follow that we must do that thing." I'm not saying that a thing *IS* "wrong fun." Just that simply because you can have fun knowing that it is at the expense of the enjoyment of others, it does not follow that you must have fun in that manner. It's a community. So, maybe consider the other people in the community when they are giving you feedback.
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Makes sense...
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--- Quote from: Mr. Black Licorice on 05 Mar 2015, 12:33 ---True. It's sort of like dissecting road kill - but if that's your thing... I, on the other hand, kinda enjoy the opposite. Someone says one lump of carrion is a liver, and I point out that it looks exactly like the other lump several inches to the left. They argue that it's where the liver is supposed to be. I argue that OF COURSE that's where it's supposed to be, but if things weren't moved around drastically when the beastie got mowed down, it would still be alive, now, wouldn't it?
In the end, we're both standing in the middle of the road poking at a dead animal. That's sorta like reading a daily comic, isn't it?
--- End quote ---
I suppose, but it is why we are all here. Which is why I'm suggesting that perhaps we pause in our argument long enough to be aware of oncoming traffic, and maybe move over to the shoulder.
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You've managed to stretch an already thin metaphor even thinner... you have my respect, good sir.
aphanisis81:
--- Quote from: explicit on 05 Mar 2015, 13:57 ---That one, you got it, you get a star.
That said, there is a difference between Marigold and people who have diagnosed with BPD. I wasn't trying to say she has it, just that are people who cannot control the driving away thing.
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I actually thought you were talking about Dora.
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