Comic Discussion > QUESTIONABLE CONTENT
WCDT 2912 to 2916 (9-13 March 2015)
ReindeerFlotilla:
I'm not sure I see the distinction. I don't claim there isn't one. I just don't see it.
Humans are emotional beasts. We like to lie to ourselves and each other, by claiming we are rational. But rationality is pretty much a post hoc analysis of our feelings--or a justification. I say pretty much because how we rationalize does set us up for what we feel next. But it seems scientifically solid to say the species is mostly feels. To be otherwise, you'd have to know the mind works like, believe it, and be ever vigilant about how the world view you construct with each thought will impact you emotionally.
That sounds exhausting.
So, when you say quality of the character, that sounds like an emotional judgment. When you compare that to "our reactions" that sounds like the same thing. Or feels like it. I'm admitting my biases may blind me to line that separates those two evaluations.
When I talk about a supermajority, I mean things like the uncanny valley. We wouldn't even know it existed, IMO, if some people weren't a little less sensitive to its slope. They make a thing and it looks fine to them, but a supermajority of us find it feels wrong. Too lifelike, but not lifelike enough. It's not a well defined edge, but a zone where most of us humans are having similar reactions. So, while I can see how that might sound like a discussion of an objective property, or way of evaluating a character, it all subjective. It's just a widely shared subjective view point.
And that was way too much text to say the same thing I said in the first line.
Gladstone:
--- Quote from: cesariojpn on 09 Mar 2015, 17:51 ---I point to Clariten as a counter-argument to this. The strips we've been given concerning Clariten have been devoid of info of why Marten has gone from a string of failed relationships with Females to him going out with a Transgendered person. It's pretty much "I like you, let's go out." Okay, WHY?!?!?! Is he just sick and tired of being the whipping boy with females that he thinks maybe going non-traditional would be a better shot at happiness? Is it because his childhood with Veronica exposing him to alternative lifestyles kinda gave him a more open mind when it comes to such things? Or some other obtuse reason?
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Oh, right, because Marten realizing he likes Claire as a person and doesn't consider her trans status to be a deal-breaker or a barrier to a potential relationship with her is completely impossible and unrealistic, amiright? It has to Mean Something, because there's NO POSSIBLE WAY Marten would want to go out with a trans woman unless he realized that he has absolutely no hope of ever dating another cis woman again. Time to settle for second-best! Level up! Or level down! Or something ridiculous like that!
*headdesk*
Edit: Neko_Ali said it better below. Read that comment instead.
Also, comic. Marten could've just said in the first place that he didn't want to get involved; that would've saved us several pages of discussion. Harrumph.
Neko_Ali:
--- Quote from: cesariojpn on 09 Mar 2015, 17:51 ---I point to Clariten as a counter-argument to this. The strips we've been given concerning Clariten have been devoid of info of why Marten has gone from a string of failed relationships with Females to him going out with a Transgendered person. It's pretty much "I like you, let's go out." Okay, WHY?!?!?! Is he just sick and tired of being the whipping boy with females that he thinks maybe going non-traditional would be a better shot at happiness? Is it because his childhood with Veronica exposing him to alternative lifestyles kinda gave him a more open mind when it comes to such things? Or some other obtuse reason?
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This sounds more like projection to me. There has been absolutely no indication in comic that Marten is dating Claire because she's trans. He has never shown any indication of thinking of her as anything other than another girl in hs life. Putting forth the idea that there are (cis) females and trans females is a rather touchy thing. They work together, they hang out together, they went on a road trip and shared a room together. Mutual attraction developed. For some people, for whatever reason, knowing someone is trans is just a non-issue. Look at his initial reaction when Claire told him. It was basically. "Oh, okay cool. Let's head inside."
wlewisiii:
You should have kept up with the Nope Marten...
jwhouk:
I think projection is the number one cause of issues on this forum - but that may just be me... :claireface:
EDIT: Poor Marten. This time, make like Ardent and RUN.
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