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WCDT 2912 to 2916 (9-13 March 2015)
Is it cold in here?:
If Faye has delirium tremens in the bathroom, is that WC DTs?
ASB84:
--- Quote from: plusorminus on 10 Mar 2015, 13:41 ---RF, I think that for some people, and I'm not speaking about the person you were answering above because I don't know him/her, but for myself, at least, any dislike of Tai goes beyond this instance or this punchline.
Tai is selfish. She pushes boundaries. Whether it's because of some issue she has or not, I won't speculate, but this is real. This is not stuff that anyone is pulling out of their ass. She openly lusted after Dora when she and Marten were together, making him uncomfortable. She was a complete creep the first time she met Hannelore and had to be told by Marten, twice, to knock it the fuck off. I seem to recall that when Clinton acted like a creep to Hanners, he got much less slack. Tai sort of does whatever Tai wants to do, and the options are to fuck off from her or deal with it.
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I don't like Tai. I acknowledge that her feelings for Dora are real, and likely deeper than Marten's feelings for Dora were. But I don't like Tai as a character and I really find that she grates. I will acknowledge that it might just be me. I hate passive aggressive people and I hate people who use their position to get things out of others. I don't have any doubt that Tai understands on some level that as the boss, she has greater sway over what Marten does and how he responds. Would she fire him for no cause? Probably not, but Marten subconsciously does not want to take that chance.
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I think you've perfectly put into words why Tai bugs me as well. I'm not sure that I outright dislike her, as I think she has some funny moments and isn't a bad person on the whole, but those traits do bug me. Like you, I'm reminded of behaviour and personalities that rub me the wrong way in real life, so I do find her less sympathetic and agreeable than I think is intended.
It does seem to be about whatever she wants, with little regard to the people around her: I want to be with Dora, so too bad that she's dating my friend and employee while I'm harbouring a crush. I want to be with Dora, so forget that she just broke up with said friend and employee. I want to hold a rave in the library because I want to party at work, so to hell with anyone who doesn't and those fuddy duddies running the college. I want to get high and watch cartoons at work, so Marten can go ahead and train those new interns. I want to be the one to invite Dora to Emily's party, so I'll act like a spoiled child and make the situation incredibly awkward. I need help with my relationship, so I'll ask Marten for advice, no matter how awkward or unpleasant that is for him. I want Dora to open up to me more, and it doesn't matter if she's not ready or not in a place to do so right now. I want to smooth over this fight, because I want to get back to getting it on.
It's not that all of those situations aren't understandable or completely unreasonable, nor is Tai being particularly malicious. She's no villain. But it does come back to her getting what she wants no matter what, and overlooking other people's feelings and/or discomfort along the way. At least, that's how it comes across to me (and I'm guessing you and a couple of others too, based on recent posts...our spiteful banned friend not withstanding). That's why that last line about make-up kisses just doesn't sit well with me. I can't help thinking..."Really? That's your takeaway from all this? Not acknowledging the bigger issue, but just looking for the magic words that'll sweep it under the rug so you can get make-up kisses?"
I know that's reading a lot into one line of dialogue, and making assumptions that she's not going to change her tact or deal with the bigger issue in a better way, but...well, history suggests that as long as Tai's happy and getting what she wants, everything's aces. I think she's setting herself up for a fall if she truly believes that.
plusorminus:
--- Quote from: ASB84 on 10 Mar 2015, 17:50 ---{snip really insightful analysis}
It's not that all of those situations aren't understandable or completely unreasonable, nor is Tai being particularly malicious. She's no villain. But it does come back to her getting what she wants no matter what, and overlooking other people's feelings and/or discomfort along the way. At least, that's how it comes across to me (and I'm guessing you and a couple of others too, based on recent posts...our spiteful banned friend not withstanding). That's why that last line about make-up kisses just doesn't sit well with me. I can't help thinking..."Really? That's your takeaway from all this? Not acknowledging the bigger issue, but just looking for the magic words that'll sweep it under the rug so you can get make-up kisses?"
I know that's reading a lot into one line of dialogue, and making assumptions that she's not going to change her tact or deal with the bigger issue in a better way, but...well, history suggests that as long as Tai's happy and getting what she wants, everything's aces. I think she's setting herself up for a fall if she truly believes that.
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Wow, a few of the incidents you brought up were ones I'd forgotten about, but yes, a thousand times yes to this post.
The one time I actually felt for Tai was when she and Dora ran into one of Tai's ex-FWBs. I completely agreed with Dora being weirded out by that, but I could understand Tai not understanding why Dora, her "dream girl" would be freaked out by someone Tai hadn't been all that into, to judge by their interaction in that strip. I liked the resolution, that they were going to give each other some slack. I also thought that Tai's approach to Dora dating her was refreshing, basically telling her "Hey, it may not work and I'm cool with that, but let's at least try."
But I just think that for me, Tai's personality is not sustainable. She wants what she wants, and you either get in line with it or get out. Dora's not Marten. She may attempt to compromise with Tai, but I have had this weird feeling that Dora wants Tai to turn it down a notch and if Tai pushes this, Dora might cut yet another person out of her circle.
I do not think the Dora/Tai relationship will last forever, but I don't see them breaking up unless/until Jeph really wants to downshift Dora's appearances in the comic, because Dora's relationship with Tai is really the only reason we would keep seeing her, IMO. When was the last time we even saw Claire or Emily for that matter in the coffeeshop, Veronica is busy with Jim, Faye's fired, etc., etc. Possibly during a Dale arc but it's been forever since we've seen him, too.
hedgie:
--- Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 10 Mar 2015, 17:24 ---If Faye has delirium tremens in the bathroom, is that WC DTs?
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I dunno, but delerium tremens is a rather decent beer.
TheEvilDog:
This is either foreshadowing for a major fight, or a dull pop to the end of the relationship.
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