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WCDT 2912 to 2916 (9-13 March 2015)
chaospersonified:
--- Quote from: plusorminus on 11 Mar 2015, 20:40 ---
--- Quote from: Aziraphale on 11 Mar 2015, 19:53 ---Wonder if Dora will make the connection between how she's feeling right now and how Tai felt a few strips back as a result of Dora shutting her out.
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The situations aren't analogous, though, because it would require Faye to get her head out of her butt and acknowledge that in the case of what she did specifically to Dora, which was break her trust, she fucked up. She has acknowledged everything else - her issues with drinking, her need for therapy, her need for a support group - but she has not yet acknowledged that she betrayed Dora and she hasn't done this because Faye is in her feelings about this and feels Dora was wrong to fire her. Maybe she understands it on some level, but she is still pissed about it. Dora realized immediately that she was out of line on Tai. Faye probably feels that she is being virtuous and adult by not calling Dora names or shittalking her.
I, for one, will be fine if this friendship is over for good and Dora finds a group of friends that appreciate her. I hope that is the epiphany she has, similar to the one she had when she inevitably realized Marten wasn't in love with her and never was going to be so the relationship had to end. Maybe Dora will start making the sort of changes in her social life that will bring her to a class of people who recognize her great attributes and will not act like shitlords to her.
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You recognize that if this happened, focus would shift from Marten, the so-called 'main character' to Dora, who would be portrayed as an asshole by virtue of abandonment. There are two sides to every conflict.
chaospersonified:
--- Quote from: plusorminus on 11 Mar 2015, 20:40 ---
--- Quote from: Aziraphale on 11 Mar 2015, 19:53 ---Wonder if Dora will make the connection between how she's feeling right now and how Tai felt a few strips back as a result of Dora shutting her out.
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The situations aren't analogous, though, because it would require Faye to get her head out of her butt and acknowledge that in the case of what she did specifically to Dora, which was break her trust, she fucked up. She has acknowledged everything else - her issues with drinking, her need for therapy, her need for a support group - but she has not yet acknowledged that she betrayed Dora and she hasn't done this because Faye is in her feelings about this and feels Dora was wrong to fire her. Maybe she understands it on some level, but she is still pissed about it. Dora realized immediately that she was out of line on Tai. Faye probably feels that she is being virtuous and adult by not calling Dora names or shittalking her.
I, for one, will be fine if this friendship is over for good and Dora finds a group of friends that appreciate her. I hope that is the epiphany she has, similar to the one she had when she inevitably realized Marten wasn't in love with her and never was going to be so the relationship had to end. Maybe Dora will start making the sort of changes in her social life that will bring her to a class of people who recognize her great attributes and will not act like shitlords to her.
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Fuck, Tai is DATING her. If a person I was dating told she thought everyone in her social circle was against her, I'd think she had a persecution complex, too! Her friends ain't shitlords for giving their honest opinions, dude!
Natswash:
--- Quote from: valkygrrl on 11 Mar 2015, 20:33 ---
--- Quote from: Truec on 11 Mar 2015, 20:27 ---
--- Quote from: tywren on 11 Mar 2015, 20:16 ---another lost plot point, what happened to the other CoD? Remember, Dora had to make Faye manager due to opening a second location.
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No, Faye became manager because Dora couldn't handle her workload, same reason she hired Dale.
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Maybe tywren is a multiverse traveler. tywren did you bring any new Nirvana albums across the gap?
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Of all the music they could bring, you want to know about Nirvana?
Aziraphale:
--- Quote from: plusorminus on 11 Mar 2015, 20:40 ---
--- Quote from: Aziraphale on 11 Mar 2015, 19:53 ---Wonder if Dora will make the connection between how she's feeling right now and how Tai felt a few strips back as a result of Dora shutting her out.
--- End quote ---
The situations aren't analogous, though, because it would require Faye to get her head out of her butt and acknowledge that in the case of what she did specifically to Dora, which was break her trust, she fucked up. She has acknowledged everything else - her issues with drinking, her need for therapy, her need for a support group - but she has not yet acknowledged that she betrayed Dora and she hasn't done this because Faye is in her feelings about this and feels Dora was wrong to fire her. Maybe she understands it on some level, but she is still pissed about it. Dora realized immediately that she was out of line on Tai. Faye probably feels that she is being virtuous and adult by not calling Dora names or shittalking her.
I, for one, will be fine if this friendship is over for good and Dora finds a group of friends that appreciate her. I hope that is the epiphany she has, similar to the one she had when she inevitably realized Marten wasn't in love with her and never was going to be so the relationship had to end. Maybe Dora will start making the sort of changes in her social life that will bring her to a class of people who recognize her great attributes and will not act like shitlords to her.
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Faye realized pretty early on that she fucked up, and it's quite possible that she's every bit as pissed at herself as at Dora right now. Rather than relying on snark -- her usual fallback defense mechanism -- she's acknowledging that she's not ready to talk about this yet, which I think is healthier than trying to put on a brave face and have a superficial conversation that either doesn't say what she really needs to say to Dora (the admission of guilt that you mention) or that just ends up a bunch of bullshit platitudes.
What I was referring to was the fact that in remaining silent, they were both coming from a similar place. They both have things they either don't want to, or aren't ready to, talk about, and they're both taking some part of that out on people who don't deserve it -- Dora with Tai, Faye with Dora. I thought that being on the receiving end of the same attitude she'd shown Tai might give Dora a little different perspective. It'll be interesting to see whether tomorrow or Monday's strip leads to Dora, like Tai, deciding to take a different tack and seeing if that gets her anywhere.
As for her relationship with Marten, you're overlooking the fact that both of them shoulder the blame for that. Besides which, regardless of how many "great attributes" someone has -- and Dora does have her share -- they don't go very far in salvaging a toxic relationship. The end of something that isn't right, whether for one's own sanity or for self-preservation, is far from being a "shitlord."
Omega Entity:
I don't see how you get Faye not thinking she deserved to be fired in this strip. 'No hard feelings' implies that she knows she deserved the firing, but isn't going to hold it against Dora. If she didn't think she deserved it, she wouldn't be skulking in and all but declaring that she won't darken the shop's doorstep again.
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