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WCDT 2912 to 2916 (9-13 March 2015)
Omega Entity:
"Just let me grab my gear, take one last look at the place, and then I'll get out."
That's a pretty good indication that Faye intends to not come back, at least for now. I don't see how it could be read any other way.
At the very least, it hints that she doesn't feel she should be there, and that's not taking into consideration that her most recent memories of the place aren't good ones. If she didn't need her things, I doubt she'd have set foot in the place for a good long while, if at all.
chaospersonified:
--- Quote from: Omega Entity on 11 Mar 2015, 21:39 ---"Just let me grab my gear, take one last look at the place, and then I'll get out."
That's a pretty good indication that Faye intends to not come back, at least for now. I don't see how it could be read any other way.
At the very least, it hints that she doesn't feel she should be there, and that's not taking into consideration that her most recent memories of the place aren't good ones. If she didn't need her things, I doubt she'd have set foot in the place for a good long while, if at all.
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Faye, no. Marten, possibly, and Tai, definitely. We won't likely see CoD in the most immediate future, due to support group, but it is most definitely NOT written out.
Omega Entity:
I was talking about Faye and only Faye. I wasn't even thinking or saying anything about the others, nor did I say that I thought the shop would be written out, nor do I think that.
ReindeerFlotilla:
--- Quote from: Aziraphale on 11 Mar 2015, 21:17 ---Faye realized pretty early on that she fucked up, and it's quite possible that she's every bit as pissed at herself as at Dora right now. Rather than relying on snark -- her usual fallback defense mechanism -- she's acknowledging that she's not ready to talk about this yet, which I think is healthier than trying to put on a brave face and have a superficial conversation that either doesn't say what she really needs to say to Dora (the admission of guilt that you mention) or that just ends up a bunch of bullshit platitudes.
What I was referring to was the fact that in remaining silent, they were both coming from a similar place. They both have things they either don't want to, or aren't ready to, talk about, and they're both taking some part of that out on people who don't deserve it -- Dora with Tai, Faye with Dora. I thought that being on the receiving end of the same attitude she'd shown Tai might give Dora a little different perspective. It'll be interesting to see whether tomorrow or Monday's strip leads to Dora, like Tai, deciding to take a different tack and seeing if that gets her anywhere.
As for her relationship with Marten, you're overlooking the fact that both of them shoulder the blame for that. Besides which, regardless of how many "great attributes" someone has -- and Dora does have her share -- they don't go very far in salvaging a toxic relationship. The end of something that isn't right, whether for one's own sanity or for self-preservation, is far from being a "shitlord."
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I agree up to the taking it out on Dora part. Faye's admitting without over much drama that--Like Ultra Magnus--she can't deal with that now. I expect that there are hard feelings, but Faye understands that they aren't fair, which is part of the issue. She's actively trying not to take it out on Dora. She doing what Dora should have done, and didn't.
Unanswered is whether she is lying--to herself and/or Dora--when she implies that she anticipates a time when she can deal with that. Faye has, generally, treated CoD as a job like any other. Her final line today implies rather more sentiment about the shop. This may imply that she wasn't quite as aimless as she appeared. She wasn't building for a life after CoD because she loved her life with CoD.
I do believe the parallel still stands, even though I think admitting she wasn't up to the conversation Tai wanted was the right thing and what Dora should have done. Being DENIED when reaching out hurts. Dora is in Tai's place, and Faye didn't giver Dora a justification to lash out and express that hurt the way Dora did with Tai (not that lashing out is good). SO Dora is in the same place Tai was, but with fewer options. Maybe seeing that will help.
Not beat the Dora/Tai/open-up .horse to death, but there are things you can do when you can't deal with that now, to make it better. Hugging it out, for example. "I am sorry that I cannot give you what you want/need right now. So I will give you this to express that I do care and it is not you, it really is me." Faye tried to do that with "No hard feelings," but that does ring a little hollow.
All that said, Dora's not pushing the issue: A sign of a reasonable response (because that can only lead to a fight, if you think about it) or Dora guilt?
plusorminus:
--- Quote from: Aziraphale on 11 Mar 2015, 21:17 ---
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What I was referring to was the fact that in remaining silent, they were both coming from a similar place. They both have things they either don't want to, or aren't ready to, talk about, and they're both taking some part of that out on people who don't deserve it -- Dora with Tai, Faye with Dora. I thought that being on the receiving end of the same attitude she'd shown Tai might give Dora a little different perspective. It'll be interesting to see whether tomorrow or Monday's strip leads to Dora, like Tai, deciding to take a different tack and seeing if that gets her anywhere.
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The difference, IMO of course, is that Tai was actively being a prat and digging when Dora was being pretty clear that she didn't want to talk. Tai then snapped at Dora and Dora responded in kind. Was it OK for Dora to do that? No. Should she have said "Hey, you know what, I get that you are concerned, but I don't want to talk about it right now"? Yes, that would have been better. But Tai would not stop prying and Dora lashed out.
As opposed to here, where Dora is respecting Faye's desire to not speak. She tried it and Faye shut it down, and Dora is doing what Tai should have done and backed off. So I don't think Dora is going to necessarily draw many comparisons between what's going on here and what went on with her and Tai, not least because Dora likely still feels guilty about firing Faye in the first place.
--- Quote from: Aziraphale on 11 Mar 2015, 21:17 ---As for her relationship with Marten, you're overlooking the fact that both of them shoulder the blame for that. Besides which, regardless of how many "great attributes" someone has -- and Dora does have her share -- they don't go very far in salvaging a toxic relationship. The end of something that isn't right, whether for one's own sanity or for self-preservation, is far from being a "shitlord."
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I'm ... honestly not sure where Marten comes into this. Maybe my post was unclear? I'm sorry if so.
The end of this situation came because Faye destroyed the trust Dora had in her. Marten didn't destroy Dora's trust. She couldn't shake off the idea that if he'd had his druthers he'd not be with her, and she was more than likely right. Faye generally only backs down on something when she's called on her shit, as when Raven called her out for being a bitch when Faye dumped on her for no reason the night they were closing the shop and Marten was there. Else, yes, it is my opinion that Faye generally treats her friends, save Marty and possibly Hannelore, like they are vassals. There are some exceptions, but not many.
Additional note: I would suggest that anyone who feels that my "bias" against Faye somehow makes my expressing my opinion on this forum invalid to skip my posts or put me on ignore. I have no desire to fight with anyone, but my opinion is my opinion. Thanks.
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