Comic Discussion > QUESTIONABLE CONTENT
WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Thrillho:
--- Quote from: Pink Jenkin on 29 Apr 2015, 10:11 ---
--- Quote from: Gareth on 29 Apr 2015, 03:31 ---And there's a real lack of appreciation for the difference between art and porn here.
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That difference which exists only to perpetuate the gap between respectable society and sex workers, based on misogynistic systems of sexual norms developed over thousands of years of fatherhood-centered cultural mythopoeia, and which to this day serves as the key ingredient in the structural, social and legal oppression of the women and men involved in the artistic creation of pornography?
Ah, damn, that came out wrong.
What I mean is: Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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Taking the wider point out of this, you're actually agreeing with my larger point, namely that 'dude it's just a naked person, no biggie.'
swapna:
--- Quote from: BenRG on 30 Apr 2015, 00:40 ---@Gladstone,
I respect your opinion. However, I genuinely think that my suggestion is in-character for Veronica. She knows better than most about playing roles and, after all the bad experiences Marten has had in relationships, she doesn't want him hurt again. I'm sure that, after Claire tells her that she volunteered the information upfront, she'll be fine.
I just think that it would be good to have Claire facing a challenge based on good intentions and love rather than fear and malice.
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I don't think Veronica would be challenging Claire - she might have a deeper insight (for example, know not to ask about grandkids). Well, let's put it like this - challenging Claire wouldn't be out of character for Veronica, at all. That woman loves to embarrass people and would never hold back her opinion. Problem is, Claire will never face anybody like this in the comic - Jeph's not going there. She might give Claire a heads-up that she knows and is glad for both of them.
On the other hand -> look at how Claire's drawn. Her hips are way wider than her shoulders and so on - we're given no indicators that she wouldn't pass, at all, so Veronica might not know.
BenRG:
--- Quote from: swapna on 30 Apr 2015, 01:44 ---On the other hand -> look at how Claire's drawn. Her hips are way wider than her shoulders and so on - we're given no indicators that she wouldn't pass, at all, so Veronica might not know.
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I'm seem to remember reading someone in the know on this forum saying that this is an advantage of an early transition. In many ways, Claire has been very fortunate.
If Veronica does already know, it would be due to some kind of subconscious 'tell'; behaviours that Veronica has seen in her various transwoman friends and colleagues in the past. I have no idea whether such a thing actually exists.
What I really, really want is for Hurricane Veronica to drag poor Claire out to the various clothes shops, insisting that her current everyday sartorial choices do not suit her and that she knows just the thing. Next Friday, Marten and Sam are walking back to Veronica's apartment, agreeing that Veronica is cool, or as cool as "old people" (Sam's phrase) can get. Veronica is outside and greets them, saying that she and Claire have just got back themselves.
Next panel is Claire in an outfit that flatters her in all the right way. Naturally, she looks bashful (playing with her hair and posed nervously).
Last panel, Sam is making a 'gross' expression. "Ew! He's started drooling!"
Veronica winks at her. "Mission accomplished, kiddo! You'll understand in a few years time!"
Thrillho:
I don't for a second believe that Veronica would be anywhere near this shitty about it.
bhtooefr:
I think we're running into a conflict between what's in character for Veronica (there's a strip that some have interpreted as potentially being trans* erasure, combined with the original version of 2379), and what's in character for Jeph, really.
Jeph isn't going to portray Veronica making an insensitive comment about Claire's ability to biologically mother children, even though he likely thinks it's in character for her, because of the effect that it could have on his readers (because he's been there with 2379, and edited it to remove exactly that). And, I believe Jeph's outright said that Claire's status won't be used for drama.
Nobody's outing Claire even if it would be completely in character for them to do so, because Jeph won't allow them to, I'd guess. It'll be tricky for him to write that in a believable way, but he is a damn good writer, and I'm sure he'll figure it out. Like I guessed earlier, it'll most likely involve Claire coming out before they can out her.
Also... if Claire and Marten wanted a biological kid? I doubt they will, Jeph's had a NO BABIES stance, but it could be done (he's hinted at a relaxation of that stance with Faye of all people). They'd need a surrogate to carry it, but this technology is being developed in our world in a couple of different ways (one way which would require an egg donor, then the DNA would effectively be replaced before it would be fertilized; the other way actually involving forcing a type of stem cell to differentiate into an egg instead of sperm, and then that could be fertilized). Then consider that the QC-verse has E-C, and if Claire and Marten wanted it, Hannelore would likely make damn sure they were the first ones to get it.
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