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WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
cabbagehut:
--- Quote from: BenRG on 30 Apr 2015, 00:40 ---I just think that it would be good to have Claire facing a challenge based on good intentions and love rather than fear and malice.
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Trans people face plenty of "well-intentioned" challenges (along with plenty of less-than-nice ones), so I think it would be a stretch to say that even in this universe, Claire has never had anyone make an ignorant, but innocent comment that was shitty.
However, anyone demanding to know about your genitalia, body structure, or whether or not you inform people about it is not good intentions, it's not love, and it's not something that should be condoned. We don't go around asking cis people the exact configuration of their genitals and whether or not they've told people what they "really" are, so we shouldn't be doing it to trans people, either. I think Gladstone is correct in that this plays into the "trap" idea, which is really offensive and not true. It suggests Claire has some "real" identity that she isn't disclosing, and what she sees herself as and how she presents herself to the world isn't true because of the possible way her body looks under her clothes (which we, the audience, know nothing about). Claire owes it to no one to tell them about the configuration of her body unless she so chooses, just like any other woman.
Veronica may be abrasive and unpleasant about a lot of things, but I would hope that issues relating to sexuality and identity would be something she's more intimately acquainted with. Certainly, in her line of work, she's probably met people struggling to reconcile their desires, expressions, and lives with the expectations of the world around them, and hopefully, someone who's seen that up close wouldn't be so callous as to corner someone and demand to know intimate details about them.
SubaruStephen:
--- Quote from: Lubricus on 30 Apr 2015, 03:24 ---That has mostly been demonstrated by her interaction with Marten, so it might not apply to others.
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It does
Lubricus:
Honestly, Jane is almost as much family to Veronica as Marten is. That doesn't count.
BenRG:
--- Quote from: Lubricus on 30 Apr 2015, 03:24 ---That has mostly been demonstrated by her interaction with Marten, so it might not apply to others.
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Not really; throughout the wedding arc, Veronica needled Claire on a couple of occasions. She was mostly using Claire as a 'straight man' for her interactions with Marten but it's clear that she didn't really mind whether or not Claire wanted to be part of this embarrassing display. She was also sassy around Marten's other friends on other occasions; yes, mostly humiliating Marten but not really caring how the others might feel about this.
I think that the summation was Veronica describing something wholly inappropriate as 'delightfully deviant'. She just likes pushing the envelope in her interpersonal interactions and she seems to have an innate talent to judge people's personality to find either people who are too timid to push back (i.e. Marten and possibly Claire) or like it and respond in kind in a way that she likes (i.e. Jim). FWIW, I think that she would say that she doesn't go out to offend and I don't think she does. She's just one of those people who isn't so hot at judging what is and is not upsetting to others so long as she enjoys it.
Thrillho:
There is a huge difference between pushing the envelope in personal interaction for funsies and 'does my son know what you have between your legs?'
Maybe I'm taking this a little personally because I also push the envelope in such a way, but I also know where the lines are.
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