Comic Discussion > ALICE GROVE
Alice Grove MCDT - June 2015
pwhodges:
--- Quote from: BenRG on 02 Jun 2015, 23:43 ---Alice clearly isn't happy to have this story told.
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Presumably Ardent and Gavia are human, maybe from a different line. If Alice is exposed to them as R Alice, her authority becomes highly circumscribed, assuming that the Three Laws apply here. It also feeds into the way she handles the locals.
BenRG:
--- Quote from: pwhodges on 03 Jun 2015, 00:05 ---If Alice is exposed to them as R Alice, her authority becomes highly circumscribed, assuming that the Three Laws apply here. It also feeds into the way she handles the locals.
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Much would then depend on whether the Zeroth Law was ever applied to her programming.
Pilchard123:
IIRC, the zeroth law was derived from the first three, not deliberately applied by any human.
BenRG:
--- Quote from: Pilchard123 on 03 Jun 2015, 00:19 ---IIRC, the zeroth law was derived from the first three, not deliberately applied by any human.
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The Zeroth Law was actually part of Asimov's own contemplation of the Singularity. He proposed that AIs, feeling that some things should be a higher priority than any given individual human life, would attempt to apply to themselves a more fundamental law:
"No robot may harm or by inaction allow harm to come to the greater interests of humanity."
This modified the First Law to read:
"No robot may harm or by inaction allow harm to come to a human except where this violates the Zeroth Law."
Yes, this hypothetically would give a robot the authority to kill, if this was adjudged to be 'in the best interests of humanity'. The Zeroth Law was never applied in the Asimov books because, according to the author, no-one, human or robot alike, was ever able to come to a satisfactory definition of the term 'humanity' that would not in some way victimise certain groups or allow certain antisocial behaviours. R Daneel Olivaw would then go on to spend tens of millennia engaging in a hugely unethical experiment in an attempt to turn humanity into a hive organism and thus remove the ambiguity inherit in all definitions of 'humanity'.
This aside, my personal view of Alice leans more towards android/replicant 'synthetic human' with a string of genetic, cybernetic and other upgrades to give her all the tools she needs for her functions. I suspect it is something dangerously vague like 'to serve and protect the human race' with almost no modifiers about what 'the human race' means other than 'observe - you'll figure it out'.
rfrank dodelijk:
the last few updates have been a good time to give ag another look. things might/may/perhaps are progressing at a slightly less glacial pace.
the villagers fear and hate alice, with luck there will be at least an attempt at a burning sometime soon. I'm also kind of hoping that bluetail and flyinggirl are not what they seem, and that they are in fact on a covert mission to end blackalisssss' rule of terror.
also, based on what benrg has to say about robots justifying the killing of humans i'm going out smashing robot dogs in toy shops this afternoon. the fight back has to start somewhere.
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