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WCDT 2976-2980 (8 - 12 June 2015)
MrNumbers:
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I concede the points made here. With what it did, it did well. Since Faye/Claire was a bit rockier not-too-long ago, this was a more subtle step in a good direction, and I must admit I hadn't considered that angle.
I still stand by that I'd have much preferred today's scene coming five strips ago, and working from that, but I also concede that's a purely subjective gripe, not an objective one.
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--- Quote from: rfrank dodelijk on 10 Jun 2015, 00:56 ---I agree there was no need for claire to be involved in this weeks strips
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How about acting to remind us that a problem in one part of the cast does not mean the rest of the universe disappears. Kind of like real life, actually.
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Fiction is Like Real Life But. That argument holds very little sway to me* on its own. Especially when we consider there might have been a different character to show that point while still moving the plot further forward. Immediately coming to mind are Marten's Mom and Dora.
The feeling that there is a larger universe outside this problem is a very valid point, but I think I'd like it more if - as Claire herself said - this scene was just between Marten and Faye. Just for the moment. The bigger world can come creeping in around the edges, or be shown in a simultaneous cut-to, or-
Anyway.
*Emphasis on "To me". This is where I start arguing purely subjectively.
chaospersonified:
Dora showing up would have sent the scene into a tailspin, and is less likely than the person Marten is dating at the moment.
As for Veronica moving the plot along further, I'm not sure I see how that figures.
MrNumbers:
Also, I know it's bad etiquette to double post, but the message I want to leave here varies so wildly in tone I couldn't in good conscience tack it on to an argument about the nature of fiction niceties.
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Here is to everyone who has had to talk a friend off the edge. The horror that you might fail. The misery of being in that position.
Here is to everyone who has had to be talked off the edge by a friend. The guilt that they might fail. The shame of putting them in that position.
Here is to those who have stared into the void, and felt the void stare back, pulsating with the beat of your thrumming heart but never, not once, blinking.
Here is to those who have dragged others out of the event horizon.
Here is to you, the lonely and the alone on the precipice of the nadir.
Here is to you, who nodded at that last sentence, because you know that sometimes the normal words don't encapsulate the feelings of that unnormal situation. That situation that should be the very antithesis of normal. Fuck abnormal, it's too normal a word, we're using the wrong prefixes.
Tomorrow I meet a friend for lunch to talk them out of suicide. They are the last friend of mine who have comparable levels of brain cooties that has not given up, to use a literal euphemism. Five will get you ten that this will just end on a final goodbye. I imagine I'm feeling a lot like Marten must be right now.
In strip and in life, tomorrow's going to be a big punch in the gut, isn't it? I hope not.
Is it cold in here?:
Would you like to post a copy of that in Pessimism and Depression? May I?
Neko_Ali:
I don't find today's comic surprising. This is a talk Faye has needed to have with someone for a while now. You can only push this back and forth in your own head for so long before the thought itself becomes poison, which is where she has been since the Angus interview arc started. And really, there are only three people she could have gone to for this talk. Marten, obviously. Dora, who she couldn't go to right now. Once she's in a better place then yes. But talking with Dora would be it's own source of stress now. And finally Dr Corrine. Because you know, therapist. Of the three, she could probably help the most but is the least likely for Faye to go to without some external prompting, or after a revelation on her own. And of course, she gets paid to listen and help. Normally it's probably covered by her insurance, but the status of that is kind of up in the air now. Though I do think Friend Dora wouldn't mind keeping her on the insurance for that either.
Hanners is a good friend, and good to help out going to meetings and keeping busy so Faye doesn't drink. But she would actually probably be bad to have this talk to. Hanners has her own problems and a different way of dealing with life. The best advice she could give would probably be 'go talk to your therapist about this'. As a friend, sometimes that's a hard things to say when you want to help. But it can be the best thing you can tell them.
The last panel actually fills me with hope, not dread. If she was thinking of suicide then she probably would not have brought up her father. What she is feeling now is empathy and understanding. It is my thinking that a huge part of the reason why Faye has been in this holding pattern for years is because she never did really accept her father's suicide. She didn't understand it, or why he would do it. She's been stuck in feelings of loss, hurt, abandonment and confusion over his death. And has hid and drowned those feelings for years. Now that she's had a near death experience because of her drinking and depression she is starting to understand what it is that can drive someone to that final step. To feel like everything is hopeless, nothing will improve. That going on is just to hard to do, with no improvement in sight. And eventually, that feeling that there is only one way to stop the pain. She gets that now that she's been there herself. And since she's survived, thanks to her friend, she can hopefully start to come to terms with both her pain, and an understanding of her father's death. Once she can let that go, then her healing can truly begin.
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