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WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
katsmeat:
--- Quote from: snubnose on 30 Jul 2015, 07:18 ---Actually, since dancing is mostly about technique only, if Momo had a normal processor aside from her neural net, she can download programs into that quite easily.
The normal processor would then be able to give her positive or negative response, depending upon how well or not so well she would dance, thus enable her neural net to learn dancing - quite quickly, most likely. She would have a "perfect" teacher that could correct any error.
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This. I am actually a registered, Level One Snowboard instructor. Teaching would be trivial if I could download into people's brains a program that did perfect carve turns. Then they could be a meat-puppet passenger observing the exact muscle movements and micro-weight shifts needed to get it all to work.
Without that, I'm reduced to things like - "knee apart, try to imagine there's a beach-ball between you knees, now try to imagine you've got a really heavy shopping bag in your leading hand, and you're pushing your front knee out and putting the bag down next to your front toe, while keeping your back straight." etc etc etc. Essentially it's difficult to communicate to people how to do a lengthy series of subtle, hard to describe, motor actions. And even if the instructor manages that, it's difficult for the inexperienced pupil to remember the sequence when barreling down the hill.
Actually, sometimes I think people really ignore me. And just work out how to start turning, and stop falling over by trial and error.
ReindeerFlotilla:
I certainly believe it would help, but I still maintain that Momo's neural net would have wire in dance in a manner similar to mine. She could become better at it a little faster, but since she doesn't think faster that 100 hours of practice to reach basic, and 10000 hours to master become 90 and 9000 respectively.
To riff on ski instruction without talking about skiing, how much thought do you put into driving your car?
I don't put in any, myself. I buckle in, start her up and roll. If I want to turn, the car turns. Stop? It stops. There's actually a complex bit of signaling and feedback going on. That information is interpreted by skill I have. Skills I've developed over a long history of driving. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you.
Wait, not those skills.
Anyway. The difference between a n00b skier and a level one instructor is probably the same. I mean, you've probably got a better level of skill. I'm actually pretty damned good at driving, but if spend too much time thinking about what I'm doing, I get in my own way. As an instructor, you can probably think about what you're doing without significant degradation in performance.
N00bs have to think about it. Even if they had instant kinesthetic sense download of what feels right, they still have to think their way through to that place. You don't. You can, as Nike said, just do it. Just like I just drive.
None of this even gets into the possibility that Momo's lack of skill is a consequence of the fundamental structure of her net. That she happens to be wired for two left feet, as it were. I still believe she could learn, but to suddenly replace that basic config with skill would necessarily turn her into a different person. Frankly, learning skill the human way changes humans into different people. But the change is gradual enough that a sense of continuity is preserved. I'm not sure that continuity would remain if you could just upload a new mental map for "dance," especially if your basic map was shitty in that area. One has to ask why you are wired that way, and what it's doing for you.
Ultimately, I still think that, no matter what hack you come up with, there is only one way for Momo to overcome this lack. The same way any other human does. Because, AI or regular I, they are all human. At least mentally. I think that if you find a way to instantly load new maps into their nets, they would necessarily become someone else, pretty much instantly.
T:
--- Quote from: Akima on 30 Jul 2015, 04:22 ---Momo dancing.
--- Quote from: T on 29 Jul 2015, 19:58 ---Six km/h is just walking speed, not even walking fast. It is slower than those electric scooters for old people.
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Yeah, but those scooters are capable of well above walking pace (depending on the model and speed setting). Many are capable of over 10km/h (around 3m/s), leading to questions about their safety on pedestrian footpaths. I can walk six kilometres in an hour (three laps of a 2km circuit round streets near my home, as measured with my bicycle GPS), but it is definitely a brisk walk for me.
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From about.com
Easy Health Walk: If you take an easy walk around the neighborhood or park, able to keep up a full conversation, use 3 miles per hour or 5 kilometers per hour as a rule of thumb.
Moderate to Brisk Walk: If you are walking at a determined to swift pace and breathing noticeably, use 4 miles per hour or 6.5 kilometers per hour.
Fast Walking: Fast walkers usually know their speed or have measured it. Racewalkers can walk 5-6 miles per hour or even faster. That is 8-10 kilometers per hour.
So she can walk faster than a relaxing walk in the park, almost as fast as a kid going to school but not as fast as someone late to work and certainly not capable of anything close to running.
She probably have a very light body lacking powerful electric motors. Probably as powerful as an adorable old lady
Rghfrgl:
More like Slowmo
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Zebediah:
Argh. Comic is not-up. Meaning the page for the new comic is up, but the image isn't displaying. :x
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