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WCDT Strips 3021 to 3025 (10 to 14 August 2015)
chaospersonified:
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--- Quote from: Alphawolf55 on 15 Aug 2015, 11:20 ---Remind me why Sven is so apparently horrible and undeserving of forgiveness unlike Tai,, Dora and Faye?
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Did you just miss the part where Dora forgave him? Or is this one of those strawmen?
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Have you missed how the comic has pretty much have had everyone be like "Yeah he's a piece of shit and we wouldn't blame you not forgiving him..But he is your brother" Even Dora attitude now is pretty much "You don't deserve this...but your family"
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We reading the same comic?
I don't see what's happened as trying to whitewash Sven's shitty past behavior. More like he's aware he's fucked up, said he's sorry, and now he's actively trying to be a better dude. Hanners has seen it, that's why she tried to suggest they make amends, and Tai's seen enough of Dora's personal shittiness to know not everything happened exactly the way Dora makes it out to have been. Dora's part of the problem, too. She cut her brother out because he had feelings for a girl it's unclear he knew was in a relationship. How the fuck is that deserved. It's worth yelling at him to be more sensitive, but not cutting out completely.
Is it cold in here?:
What if the Genevieve incident was typical of his previous life? A few dozen situations like that could leave people near him unable or unwilling to see his good side. It's also possible that his good side has only come into being recently, long after Dora's formative years.
solemnwar:
I want to point out, that a person doesn't have to be inherently toxic in and of themselves to have a toxic effect on people (or, at least, a rather negative one). Even if they haven't done something "omg horrible evil bastard" level, if they're causing a drain on your emotional wellbeing, it is perfectly natural to want to excise them from your life, either temporarily or permanently.
I think the separation was probably good for the both of them- have some space to get away from each other and figure shit out. A shock to the system for Sven to give him further incentive to be a better person (because the last incident with Faye was just... grotesque), and some breathing room for Dora to discharge some of the negative energies.
Now the proper healing can begin.
chaospersonified:
--- Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 15 Aug 2015, 23:08 ---What if the Genevieve incident was typical of his previous life?
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Honestly, I expect it was, but the past doesn't dictate the future. Every saint has a past and all that baloney. Hanners thinks he's changing for the better, we've seen him trying to do so, which is admittedly us knowing something Dora doesn't, but I'm a firm believer in people's ability to grow and change.
Maybe a break was necessary; I can get behind that. I just have issues with the idea that he's stuck as a shitty human forever and Dora needs to stop giving him chances 'just because their family.' Dude's a fuck-up, self-centered and thoughtless, but at least he's aware of it and trying to change.
I'm glad their speaking again, basically.
If you can't tell, the Dora/Sven sibling relationship hits home for me.
ReindeerFlotilla:
I'm just wondering who said Sven was undeserving of forgiveness. Was that a comment I missed?
All characters polled on the issue (Tai and Hannelore) have voted for forgiveness. Dora forgave him. Dora admitted she was in need of improvement, herself. If she didn't accept her responsibility as blatantly as Sven declared his, she still accepted it, as her entire speech is a refutation of her previous behavior in the issue. I call that good writing, as it would be rather hollow to have her use the same tone and self-criticism that Sven did.
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