Comic Discussion > QUESTIONABLE CONTENT
WCDT 3056-3060 (5-9 Oct 2015)
Neko_Ali:
Faye was being Faye. It's just that for once people didn't just roll over and accept it, and it's blowing up in her face. I'll be honest, what we're seeing here is a big part of the reason why I would not want anything to do with her if I knew her in real life. And we certainly wouldn't be friends. She saw a situation she thought was a problem with Bubbles isolating herself. Fair enough. But she kept pushing and prodding Bubbles, who made it quite clear she wanted no part of this. But she kept pushing until she found a chink in Bubble's armor that got to her go out. Then set up what I think pretty much everyone who knew what was going a no win situation by just throwing her in the middle. As I said, this is typically Faye. Deciding to follow a course of action, ignoring what other people think and feel about it, using various tricks to force what she wants to happen, then just walking away at the critical point and getting angry when it doesn't work out. The only thing she couldn't do was use threats of or actual physical violence to get her way with Bubbles. Faye had good intentions here. She is just shit when it comes to actually considering others and how they might feel about what's going on.
To put it in another light... Imagine if Bubbles was instead a kid terribly afraid of swimming pools and drowning. After several attempts Faye succeeds in bullying her to go to the pool, where she immediately leaves her alone among strangers who keep trying to get her to go into the water, the one thing she's scared to do. Instead of either leaving her alone or trying to understand and help, Faye just comes along and throws her in the deep end. And when Bubbles runs away in terror Faye come after her screaming in anger.
While she may be fine as a character.. Faye is a shitty person and a terrible friend most of the time. It would be nice if having Bubbles as a friend gets her to see that. Because as I said, Faye can't fall back on her usual tactic of physical violence to shut people up.
themacnut:
--- Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 08 Oct 2015, 22:13 ---Pugnacious Peach is brave, foolish, task-focused, or some combination. What she's doing with Bubbles is similar to trying to pet a cat which has arched its back and turned its tail into a bottle brush.
--- End quote ---
Considering Bubbles' size and strength, more like trying to pet a snarling tiger. Then being surprised when it takes a swipe at her with those meat hook sized claws...
Morituri:
I've had close friends with PTSD/Anger issues. And what I can say here is, although it may not look like it to y'all, Faye has actually made some pretty damn serious progress on helping Bubbles with her issues if it's gotten this far.
This event with Faye is something that Bubbles is going to have to process for a couple of days. And when she's done that, unless she's unusually clue-resistant, she is likely to finally admit to herself that she has a real problem.
Lots of people with bad survivor guilt are, under it all, angry at themselves for not saving people. And that's a very tough anger issue to deal with, because intellectually knowing that you had no opportunity to save people doesn't make the feeling go away.
Neko_Ali:
It's pretty clear that Bubbles is under a lot of survivor's guilt. She actively tries to isolate herself, while taking a job where she can help fix people. Something she couldn't do with her squad, presumably. She automatically assumes people do not like her and are afraid of her, despite evidence to the contrary. While most of the people at the party were there usual indelicate selves, the only one who showed any fear was Marten. Bubbles has also commented that she only permits herself rare moments of peace or joy. Something that screams to me she feels a huge amount of guilt and doesn't feel she deserves better. And then along comes Faye, determined to throw her carefully constructed misery wallowing pit out of order. It's entirely possible that this night will open some cracks in Bubble's self imposed exile. But Faye has gone about it pretty much the worst possible way from start to finish.
Morituri:
I disagree about it being the worst possible way.
The worst possible way is what everyone else in her life is doing: Just ignoring it.
If you want to help people, then one way or another you've got to rattle their cages. It isn't going to be comfortable or peaceful or even necessarily safe, but it has to be done.
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