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Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2016

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TinPenguin:
Pretty sure Malice knows she can't do more than slightly annoy Alice with her bullets. But she sure as hell isn't going let her approach her freely. And if 'slightly annoying' is the only way to make her point, it'll do.

I guess it's a bit like hurling insults at someone you know to be thick-skinned. It's not for them, it's for you.

BenRG:
@mikmaxs,

It's just pure anger. Anger that has possibly been stewing for centuries to the point where causing Alice even the most trivial pain or inconvenience is an end in itself.

Oh, and I also suspect that the 'who's faster?' thing is an old, old rivalry between them. Possibily dating back to when they were in training together.

mikmaxs:
Okay, other question: Do they have super strength to go with their indestructibility? Alice at least has the ability to get through a nanobot shield, but was that superior strength or some other effect? I'm just wondering if, since bullets are ineffective, a fistfight might at least cause some real harm.

BenRG:

--- Quote from: mikmaxs on 25 Jan 2016, 02:22 ---Okay, other question: Do they have super strength to go with their indestructibility?
--- End quote ---

Super strength has been implied but never explicitly shown in a way that couldn't be explained away by training or some special ability. For example, if Alice is telekinetic, then she didn't break her counterpart's gun, rather she flash-disassembled it. This could also explain the fact that she seemed to levitate when she confronted Gavia. However, that would require an explanation as to why she didn't deal with her adversaries at a long distance.

I think that Jeph is deliberately keeping lots of things about Alice ambiguous. She has shown enough extreme capabilities that it's unlikely that she's just a 'woman-plus' super-soldier at the very top end of what is possible for a human body to achieve. However, there are enough inconsistencies to make it difficult to pin down precisely what special abilities she may have. Then you have the issue of her personality that could further disrupt evidence. For example, what if she just prefers up-close-and-personal and consciously chooses not to use longer-range tactics, even though she has the ability to do so?

My guess remains is that she is an augment. Her biology has been genetically optimised, making her incredibly long-lived and nearly ageless as well as close to physical perfection as it is possible to get at the very top end of physical attributes (strength, durability, perception and intelligence). She may also have synthetic augmentations to make her muscles, skin and bones even tougher (nearly unbreakable) and give her things like active night vision and the ability to generate energy fields to do things like fly or create telekinetic effects (using actual generators built into her body rather than an external nanotech skein). As I already noted, her personality is far from perfect and I'm wondering if her psychotic episodes might be a consequence of something going awry when she was engineered... or if she was designed to be aggressive and possibly even psychopathic because that's what the military end users wanted for their cloned Amazon Warriors.

Neko_Ali:
She's been shown to punch, or at least knife-hand her way through the bodies of people, animals and wood walls. Being indestructible alone doesn't really explain that, if that's all she has. I can see her being able to put her fist through a wood wall if she was just really tough. But not just casually punch her way through someone's body. She does seem to be able to disrupt technology at a touch. Malice's gun and Gavia's shields just fell apart when she wanted them too. If she can extend that to living things or non technological devices that would explain why she can punch through whatever she likes. It could also be super strength, or something like the tactile telekinesis that a version of Superboy once had. He was telekinetic... but had to actually be touching something to affect it. There are many ways to achieve the feats we've seen Alice performing. But she normally doesn't seem to have more than a human level of strength. She pummeled Gavia bloody instead of just crushing her her spearing her with one punch. We've never seen her casually hefting huge loads around. That's not to say she can't... It's just something she doesn't do.

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