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WCDT Strips 3206 to 3210 (25 to 29 April 2016)

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Blackbird:
I haven't been on the forums for quite a while, but I had to come back just to see the reaction to this strip.  Clinton was entirely justified, but I know Claire is the pet character of many posters on here.  I'm kind of proud of all of you that the reactions are ranging from "Yup, that'll happen" to "I mean, yeah he's right, but why did he have to act so much like he's acted in every single Clinton storyline before now!?!?"

(That said, regarding the misgendering thing: even if some here might take it as such, you know Clinton himself (and thus Jeph) did not view it as a misgendering, because Clinton didn't immediately stop and profusely apologize for it. One of Clinton's best traits is how unconditionally supportive he is of Claire's transition and there's a big gulf between "I'm telling you that I think you're being self-centred and shitty" and "I'm saying shit intentionally to hurt you".  Clinton is an immature shithead who's pissed off at his sister, but he's not a hateful immature shithead.)

Is it cold in here?:

--- Quote from: QuestionableIntentions on 26 Apr 2016, 22:55 ---Clinton was always angry before when Claire has meddled. He just didn't say anything because it worked out or he was distracted by something else. This time it didn't and so he finally said what he wanted to say before.


Also, "gendered insults" seriously? As if it matters what "gender" an insult has. This is just getting ridiculous.

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Global Moderator Comment Doesn't it make sense a priori that there's something insulting to women in general about, say, calling someone a "cunt"? Isn't that at least plausible? The moderators have heard from women we trust that things like that make them feel less welcome, and inclusiveness is a core value here.

creatureshock:

--- Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 26 Apr 2016, 23:14 ---
Doesn't it make sense a priori that there's something insulting to women in general about, say, calling someone a "cunt"? Isn't that at least plausible? The moderators have heard from women we trust that things like that make them feel less welcome, and inclusiveness is a core value here.


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Then are any insults talked about in the comic as something that could make people feel less welcome and included?  And yes, I am serious about that and not just being a dick.  If people have to worry about general insults, just where do you draw the line?  Is even mentioning the insult going too far?

pwhodges:
Using an insult and talking about it are completely separate matters.  We couldn't even have a view without being able to discuss it.

But note that "asshole" is not inherently a gendered insult - we all have one.

Penquin47:

--- Quote from: Blackbird on 26 Apr 2016, 23:06 ---(That said, regarding the misgendering thing: even if some here might take it as such, you know Clinton himself (and thus Jeph) did not view it as a misgendering, because Clinton didn't immediately stop and profusely apologize for it. One of Clinton's best traits is how unconditionally supportive he is of Claire's transition and there's a big gulf between "I'm telling you that I think you're being self-centred and shitty" and "I'm saying shit intentionally to hurt you".  Clinton is an immature shithead who's pissed off at his sister, but he's not a hateful immature shithead.)

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If it *is* misgendering, I'm thinking it's of the sort where he's falling into patterns that have been established since childhood, well before Claire's transition, that he's never examined to see if maybe they should change because they're no longer appropriate.  Like you, I think if Claire feels misgendered and calls him out on it, he'll be contrite and apologetic and promise to do better in the future, because his support of Claire's transition is so strong.  (That said, my brother calls me an asshole when he thinks I deserve it, and I'm a cis woman.  I do the same to him.  So I never really thought of asshole as in any way gendered.)

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