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WCDT Strips 3206 to 3210 (25 to 29 April 2016)
bhtooefr:
Well, the Bechdel test is intended to be a very low bar to pass, that doesn't indicate that a work is necessarily feminist in nature, but that it's not contributing to a specific non-feminist media representation.
The test being that there be two women, who speak to each other, about something that isn't a man.
So, would a LGBT version be, two LGBT people, who speak to each other, about something that isn't a cisgender and heterosexual person (be it other LGBT people, themselves, their careers, their hobbies, whatever)? In which case QC passes multiple times - Dora and Tai satisfy it (by talking about each other), Tai and Claire satisfy it somehow (although Tai doesn't know that), and I can't think of other examples at the moment.
TheEvilDog:
--- Quote from: Method of Madness on 27 Apr 2016, 05:03 ---Also, I think people are being way too hard on Claire. This isn't the first time she's done this with Clinton and Emily, and the other times it's ended up well and Clinton probably seemed grateful at the time. Why should she not expect it to work again?
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I just highlighted the problem a lot of people are having.
It isn't the first time Claire has done this to Clinton, manipulating him into a situation that he had no preparation for or any idea was coming up. Siblings tend to have a pattern in their interactions with each other, one that repeats throughout their entire lives. So presumably, Claire has manipulated Clinton on more than one occasion in some misguided belief that he needs the help.
Well for one, that attitude is infantilizing and basically saying that "I can't really trust you to make your own decisions so I'm going to make them for you." Now imagine that attitude being the prevailing one you have had to deal with your entire life. It gets old very, very quickly.
Secondly, Clinton might not have blown up at Claire like that had she not involved Emily. Its one thing if your brother or sister manipulates you, its something else entirely when they drag a third party into their idiotic scheme. A person can handle being humiliated or hurt by a sibling, but its different when they do it in front of an audience or inadvertently hurt another person.
The problem is that Claire's entire romantic experience is probably limited to Marten and romantic comedies. As we all know, what happens in a romantic comedy can be meant to look "awww" inducing and look incredibly romantic. Thing is, you try that in real life it doesn't look romantic, it just looks creepy and stalkerish.
jheartney:
--- Quote from: Analogy on 26 Apr 2016, 20:52 ---You need to put yourself in the shoes of a weird, introverted, nerdy dude with little to no romantic experience, and experience that interaction he just had through those eyes rather than your own.
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I was that guy years ago. I know exactly how it is to face all that. I figured it out without the kind of outburst Clinton just had.
--- Quote from: Analogy on 26 Apr 2016, 20:52 ---Introverts need to be able to approach social interactions on their own terms. Claire should have known this about her own brother.
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Introvert here as well. I know how it is to have to steel myself to talk to strangers. But sometimes you just have to swallow hard and do it.
Clinton's problem isn't that he didn't prepare himself. His problem was that he'd blown off facing this at all for months.
RyanW1019:
--- Quote from: jheartney on 27 Apr 2016, 08:39 ---
--- Quote from: Analogy on 26 Apr 2016, 20:52 ---Introverts need to be able to approach social interactions on their own terms. Claire should have known this about her own brother.
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Introvert here as well. I know how it is to have to steel myself to talk to strangers. But sometimes you just have to swallow hard and do it.
Clinton's problem isn't that he didn't prepare himself. His problem was that he'd blown off facing this at all for months.
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Yeah, but there's a difference between Claire telling Clinton he needs to man up and do it and "Surprise! Now you have to ask her out right now with no preparation or warning!"
Let me try to use a different example from the comics. Claire decided that she wanted to get her ears pierced, after weeks of trying to work up the courage to do so. She brought Marten along for support, but the actual decision to do it came from her. This ended up having a good outcome, and Claire got a little more self-confident because she overcame her fears. Plus, her relationship with Marten got a little deeper because he was there for her when she needed support. Now, imagine that Marten hears Claire wants to get her ears pierced, so he takes her to the mall, walks her into a piercing booth, and says "Surprise! Now you can get your ears pierced!" If Claire freaks out and runs away, is she within her rights to be mad at Marten? Absolutely. The difference between working up the courage to choose to do something you're afraid to do, and being forced into it by somebody else, is huge in terms of your personal development. Clinton doesn't grow as a person by being set up like this, even if it ends up going well.
Ysobel:
Regarding a "Gay Bechdel Test", GLAAD proposes this: (cited from http://www.glaad.org/sri/2015/vitorusso )
"To pass the Vito Russo Test, the following must be true:
* The film contains a character that is identifiably lesbian, gay, bisexual, and/or transgender.
* That character must not be solely or predominantly defined by their sexual orientation or gender identity. i.e. they are comprised of the same sort of unique character traits commonly used to differentiate straight/non-transgender characters from one another.
* The LGBT character must be tied into the plot in such a way that their removal would have a significant effect. Meaning they are not there to simply provide colorful commentary, paint urban authenticity, or (perhaps most commonly) set up a punchline. The character should "matter.""
To this some people add, therewith lowering the number of passing films significantly :
* The LGBT character(s) must survive the film. (Somewhat implied by the existing points, but still...)
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