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Arkantos:

--- Quote from: mustang6172 on 27 Apr 2016, 18:19 ---Could a misogynistic hurled at Claire be interpreted as trans accepting?
"Trans Inclusive Misogyny.  From the makers of TERF!"

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If you want to, I suppose, but the person using the insult would have to know Claire is trans. Either way, I'd be far more inclined to focus on the misogyny.

TheEvilDog:

--- Quote from: themacnut on 27 Apr 2016, 16:39 ---
--- Quote from: swapna on 27 Apr 2016, 15:34 ---
Edit: Also, he's 21. He's still figuring everything out - he might be a late bloomer, just as his sister. As far as we know, Claire only started dating when she was 24, and that is because Marten made the first move. He is clearly uncomfortable with dating, and he has a lot to learn about himself and others. It's not as if there's no time, or as if he has to date or as if he's going to be "forever alone" if he doesn't ask out a lot of girls. Which is a bad motivation to ask someone out anyway; would you go out with someone who just wants a warm body next to them and fakes interest as a means to an end, if you could actually hang with people who are interested in you as a person?

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I agreed with the rest of your post, but had to disagree somewhat with this part. Yes Clinton is young, and yes, he's quite inexperienced in the dating arena; but this is precisely why he needs to get out there and start dating soon as possible. He has many mistakes to get out of the way; choosing the wrong women, saying or doing the wrong things, not saying or doing the right things. These mistakes will likely cost him the woman he makes those mistakes with, just as his hesitancy in asking for the second date cost him Emily.

He might as well get those mistakes out of the way now while he's young, single and has relatively little to lose. Along the way, he'll also need to develop a thick skin for rejection, since that is mainly the man's burden to bear in the dating arena, and someone like Clinton is going to get rejected rather often. Sucks, but that's the way it is since the majority of men are never going to be asked out by a woman, they will always have to do the asking. If Clinton ultimately wants fenale romantic companionship (and his efforts with Emily show that he does), then he's going to have to get out there, start making mistakes, and hopefully learning from them. Romantic companionship seldom falls into a man's lap, especially a man like Clinton.

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Therein lies the rub; to get to the point where he can roll with the rejection, Clinton still has to get through all that rejection first. Yeah, one day he might be able to say "Well, I tried and it didn't work out, but hey, I tried." But it won't be today or tomorrow because right now it hurts. He's been shot down in a rather painful manner, not by Emily's fault, but by Claire.

Its all well and good to say that one day he's going to have the thick skin, but then again, no one likes getting rejected. No one likes the idea of getting rejected and it takes a very long time for someone to get used to the idea of being rejected. I've been dating half my life and I still don't like getting shot down. But I'm used to it. Clinton isn't, its all still new to him.

Both Clinton and Claire have a lot to learn from this fiasco and who knows, they might come out the better for it, equally likely they might not. Clinton might need to be more assertive and drop the more "creepy" aspects of his personalities, while Claire really does need to learn that there are boundries with people and that she shouldn't cross those particular lines (example, when Faye, quite rightly in my opinion, put Claire in her place by reminding her that she was still relatively new to the group and this hadn't "earned" the right to sass Faye as Marten could).

Vyse Inglebard:
The kicker with this is that Clinton wants to do this stuff on his own, which is totally within his rights, because only he knows what kind of comfort level he has with the dating scene. Claire does not, and she really had no place to step in and try to push him, even if she's trying to do the 'right thing' and be helpful. You can still be helpful and hurt the people you're trying to help. His anger is justified, even if it's incensed to a level that most would find inappropriate. His comfort has been infringed upon, and he should be allowed to be angry when a person who he trusts set him up through this mess.

Even if he's not going headfirst into things, he's clearly thinking about how he's been going about dating, and that's really cool. It's important. He doesn't have to be elbow deep in dating to learn what he needs to do. He can take things as slow as he needs and wants to if that's what he wants to do.

...I also say this thinking on his lack of self confidence, as he really needs to work on that before dating. People are attracted to those who trust in what they're doing.

So you do you, Clinton, just don't let your anger burn you to ash.

jheartney:

--- Quote from: themacnut on 27 Apr 2016, 16:39 ---He might as well get those mistakes out of the way now while he's young, single and has relatively little to lose. Along the way, he'll also need to develop a thick skin for rejection, since that is mainly the man's burden to bear in the dating arena, and someone like Clinton is going to get rejected rather often. Sucks, but that's the way it is since the majority of men are never going to be asked out by a woman, they will always have to do the asking. If Clinton ultimately wants fenale romantic companionship (and his efforts with Emily show that he does), then he's going to have to get out there, start making mistakes, and hopefully learning from them. Romantic companionship seldom falls into a man's lap, especially a man like Clinton.

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This is exactly right. Which is why I think Claire did him a favor. She pushed him out of his holding pattern and made him either move ahead with Emily or let it die.

Some of you castigated me for being unable to empathize with Clinton. Hardly. I know exactly what's going on there; in his mind, the Emily thing was still a possibility, so he'd hang on to that despite the fact that he'd already allowed it to shrivel and die by not pursuing it. With that excuse, he'd let himself not bother to pursue anyone else, because he'd already (sort of) got something started with Emily. I know how the extreme introvert mind works - he'd use this faint possibility to excuse himself from trying anything else. Plus, as you pointed out, being rejected is part of the game. It's no worse for Clinton now than later, so he may as well get his first rejection out of the way now.

sitnspin:
You're missing the point. It wasn't her call to make. Manipulating others, even for their supposed benefit, is fucked up. She had no right to do that.

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