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WCDT Strips 3211 to 3215 (2nd to 6th May 2016)
brightwings00:
--- Quote from: vodyanoi on 03 May 2016, 05:06 ---That's a lot of words to justify bigotry.
Even were I to accept the premise of your statement, which I don't since it is deeply fallacious: (Elliott Rodgers was not white and whitewashing him like that is gross. The quantity of shooters that make the news is not a statistic of value and is outweighed by relevant statistics like actual quantities of mass shooters. Fighting bigotry with bigotry doesn't seem to be working. And your entire statement is contradictory since it assumes this "thinking" bigotry has no effect as compared to "unthinking" bigotry. Why can't you just say "Hey that's kind of a dick thing to say" to your atheist friends? Or do you go tirades about their need to make up for Stalinist Russia)
Even were I to accept those premises, I don't understand the vigorous need to complain about shitting on the rug while you piss on the carpet.
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I went and looked up Elliott Rodgers, and you're absolutely correct on that front--my bad.
But if you want statistics on mass shootings, I looked those up too--the Washington Post says that out of 128 mass shooting perpetrators, all but three of them were male and the vast majority were between the ages of 20 to 49. Over here it says that between 1982 and 2015, 44 out of 75 mass shootings were perpetrated by white people. Am I saying that every single white young man should be profiled on this basis? No, absolutely not. But I don't think it's groundbreaking to say that there's a culture we've created--call it toxic masculinity or whatever you want--where people like these angry white young men, the kind of people you'd find in the darkest corners of 4chan or Reddit, are feeling increasingly disenfranchised by diversity ("I can't talk to girls anymore", "I got passed over for this job because they wanted to be politically correct", "I can't make jokes without someone getting offended") and that plays into their complex, and some of them are dangerous. That's something we need to address.
Look, I'm not trying to justify bigotry or say that jokes about men, or straight people, or white people are cool, fun things to do. I'm saying people treat them with the same gravity as insults against black people or women or gay people, when they don't have the same weight, and we (as a society we) need to recognize that. We're not yet at the point where the see-saw is equal. Jokes about 'angry white young men' don't have the same impact as jokes about women being wh***s or Asian people being all stiff and nerdy and mysterious. It strikes me as complaining about a spot on the rug when there's a giant, massive, steaming pile of crap on the carpet next to you that's just getting ignored.
USS Martenclaire: the sass would be even more epic than the time Angus got physically thrown out of the store by Faye's scorn. I kind of want to see it now.
BlueFatima:
--- Quote from: brightwings00 on 03 May 2016, 04:56 ---To offer another perspective:
I thought it was a commentary on how a lot of shooters that have made the news--Elliott Rodgers, James Holmes, et al.--have been angry white young men. There certainly have been a number of think pieces on the topic.
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This. I can't believe people are even mentioning "racism." I'm white. I don't find it offensive at all. And isn't Jephe white?
Tova:
--- Quote from: BlueFatima on 03 May 2016, 05:55 ---I'm white. I don't find it offensive at all. And isn't Jephe white?
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Without wanting to commit myself either way, I feel the need to point out that neither of those facts prove the statement not to be racist.
I would have gone with "angry young men are quite dangerous" myself, but that's just me.
BlueFatima:
--- Quote from: Tova on 03 May 2016, 06:14 ---
--- Quote from: BlueFatima on 03 May 2016, 05:55 ---I'm white. I don't find it offensive at all. And isn't Jephe white?
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Without wanting to commit myself either way, I feel the need to point out that neither of those facts prove the statement not to be racist.
I would have gone with "angry young men are quite dangerous" myself, but that's just me.
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Either he changed it or that's what he wrote.
Self deprecating humor I believe some call it. :)
Carl-E:
Jephe?
Jephie!
Or Jeph-E?
Naaaaaahhh...
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