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WCDT Strips 3221 to 3225 (16 - 20 May 2016)
zmeiat_joro:
--- Quote from: Storel on 21 May 2016, 07:34 ---I was taught that writing an 'e' after the vowel rather than an umlaut above the vowel was usually done as way of writing German words in languages that don't have umlauts, like English. I see it a lot in the names of families whose ancestors immigrated to the US from Germany: Koenig instead of König, Schaefer instead of Schäfer, Schueler instead of Schüler, that kind of thing.
Also, I think chaospersonified was talking about understanding how to pronounce umlauted vowels. Maybe you were too, but if so I have no idea what "the front equivalent of the corresponding back vowel" means, sorry.
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For example in German and Spanish "o" and "u" are back, "e" and "i" are front. "o" with and umlaut is pronounced with the lips rounded but otherwise like "e", "u" with an umlaut with the lips rounded but otherwise like "i". "a" is a back vowel in German, and "a" with an umlaut is front, similar to the "a" in the English word "back".
chaospersonified:
You say these things like they make sense. I do not know what that means, that some vowel sounds are front and some are back.
I can MAKE the sounds if I've heard them. No amount of written word will help me understand how to make a sound. I need to hear it. That's what I was trying to say.
Skewbrow:
It made sense to me. When I am articulating the only difference between A and Ä, O and Ö, or U and Ü (or in Scandinavia more likely Y) is the location of the tongue. In the umlauted versions the tongue moves to the front, and in the non-umlauted versions it stays in the back. Hence front/back vowels.
According to Wikipedia the proper terms would be front/redacted vowels.
And to return to where this started. If you have an un-umlauted version of Brunhilde, I think the 'u' should be pronounced like in the English word 'put'. The vowel in either 'broom' or 'flute' is too long IMHO.
Random832:
--- Quote from: Perfectly Reasonable on 20 May 2016, 10:27 ---Very interesting. But...
Let me put it another way. I'm annoyed that Jeph seems to be dumbing down his comic so that Americans don't have to deal with umlauts.
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It's still not clear what sound you think is in her name. Lubricus' core objection to your original statement was that the actual sound of "ü" is far enough off from "oo" that it's not a plausible mistake for Clinton to have made (as opposed to "ee").
Mr_Rose:
--- Quote from: Eastrim on 21 May 2016, 08:19 ---
--- Quote from: Mr_Rose on 21 May 2016, 02:55 ---
--- Quote from: anahata on 20 May 2016, 23:07 ---I wouldn't even be able to use my cell phone without my glasses...
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He has a smartphone. I haven't used the actual dial-pad on mine more than a couple of times since I got it. Half the time I don't even take it out of my pocket either.
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Do you just wiggle your hips and say "call Joe"?
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No, but close. Bluetooth headset + Siri. She knows all my contacts by name so I just have to tell her to call them for me.
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