Comic Discussion > ALICE GROVE
Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
brasca:
--- Quote from: Wildroses on 06 Jun 2016, 06:04 ---Oh, but the Praeses had nothing to do with his behaviour after he arrived on earth. It's more his actions after he came to earth that made me think Ardent had never believed his actions could have detrimental impacts on people. There were several occasions where Alice was not mincing words about how unhappy she was at him being here potentially upsetting her carefully balanced community harmony with outright dimissiveness (Do you know any other girls Jack? This one's boring") or only focusing on how her supervision would impact on him: ("Sweet, you're my tour guide!") He also was gawking and pointing at an obviously freaked out child and mother, reacted to hearing he has to pay for things by asking Alice for money, assumed the crowd was coming to see him rather than Alice, throwing a tantrum because Alice didn't compliment his delightful tail, wanting to meet Miss Wheelwright simply because of her big bottom, and getting upset Miss Wheelwright slapped him after being asked to fuck within minutes of being introduced.
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Ardent is certainly careless and for the first time regrets his actions, but I have to question how much of it is his personality and the rest culture. We really don't know that much about the space habitat's people other than Ardent and Gavia. Ardent's behavior was likely acceptable since he seemed to be popular. I get a bit of a Brave New World vibe with him. Gavia seems to be more of an unpopular introvert and workaholic. The latter may prove useful since she seems very focused on learning how to survive. Ironically enough she might become popular with the natives while Ardent appears as a shiftless layabout.
Eastrim:
Data:
They've been traveling for 3 weeks, but not necessarily across the lake that entire time. Assuming walking speed in a straight direction 10 hours a day, that's 30km a day, for 630 km so far.
They are headed way out west, to a location with many rockets.
The lake was drained for irrigation, THEN for land for farming, in that order, for those reasons.
The lake was really huge.
The area they left was green and forested, and apparently that way any day trippable distance (read: not riverine greenness in an arid or semiarid area).
The area they are now is grassland. Not sure what's up with the exclusively dead trees.
A lot of names and stuff more closely associated with the US than other regions.
The climate stuff is not necessarily indicative, considering how much the world changed, though if this was Earth I would expect most weather systems to remain basically the same. And of course, this all depends on the whims and knowledge of Jeph, and the location of things remaining basically the same as it is today.
Having said that, the biggest indicator is that specific sequence and reasoning for draining of the lake, which is not very common. Many have been drained for land (sometimes for settlement, sometimes for agriculture), many for irrigation, but that sequence only applies to one large lake I know of; Tulare Lake. Formerly the largest lake west of the Mississippi, now nonexistent, drained first for irrigating the developing farmland in the California Central Valley, then to itself be used for land. Vandenberg, a major rocket launch facility, is reasonably southwest (well, more the south than the west) from there.
That lake would probably reconstitute itself without agriculture, but so would most drained lakes when human water usage stopped, since the ground level is still lake friendly. It temporarily reconstitutes to this day when there's enough rain and the canals can't drain it off fast enough. Also, unless they had also been heading much more south than west, there aren't a lot of forest friendly places east of Tulare Lake like we saw. Still, the area would be arid grassland if it wasn't for farming, so it's the most likely option with current data. In my opinion.
Wildroses:
--- Quote from: brasca on 07 Jun 2016, 23:05 ---Ardent is certainly careless and for the first time regrets his actions, but I have to question how much of it is his personality and the rest culture. We really don't know that much about the space habitat's people other than Ardent and Gavia. Ardent's behavior was likely acceptable since he seemed to be popular. I get a bit of a Brave New World vibe with him. Gavia seems to be more of an unpopular introvert and workaholic. The latter may prove useful since she seems very focused on learning how to survive. Ironically enough she might become popular with the natives while Ardent appears as a shiftless layabout.
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As it happens one of my theories that the Praeses do all the work in the space society and leave the humans nothing to do except pursue pleasure. It would explain a lot about how Ardent and Gavia behaved when they first arrived. Ardent cheerfully ran around thinking of his own fun and not the people around him as that was how his society works, and Gavia decided the best way to find Ardent quickly was threats and pyrotechnics because she's never had any need to learn problem solving and conflict resolution.
brasca:
--- Quote from: Wildroses on 08 Jun 2016, 04:19 ---
--- Quote from: brasca on 07 Jun 2016, 23:05 ---Ardent is certainly careless and for the first time regrets his actions, but I have to question how much of it is his personality and the rest culture. We really don't know that much about the space habitat's people other than Ardent and Gavia. Ardent's behavior was likely acceptable since he seemed to be popular. I get a bit of a Brave New World vibe with him. Gavia seems to be more of an unpopular introvert and workaholic. The latter may prove useful since she seems very focused on learning how to survive. Ironically enough she might become popular with the natives while Ardent appears as a shiftless layabout.
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As it happens one of my theories that the Praeses do all the work in the space society and leave the humans nothing to do except pursue pleasure. It would explain a lot about how Ardent and Gavia behaved when they first arrived. Ardent cheerfully ran around thinking of his own fun and not the people around him as that was how his society works, and Gavia decided the best way to find Ardent quickly was threats and pyrotechnics because she's never had any need to learn problem solving and conflict resolution.
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That's one possibility, but I think that Praeses require some amount of work or something that passes for it. It might not be all that different than George Jetson pushing a button all day. If work was that much of a foreign concept to them they would have complained a lot more, but Ardent seemed to be mildly irritated with the inconvenience while Gavia didn't like the chore (and who would) and was probably concerned with all the busy work she has at home to do.
retrosteve:
--- Quote from: Zebediah on 07 Jun 2016, 14:31 ---Gavia has to learn a whole new skill set, and she's going to discover how intelligent and skilled our "primitive" ancestors had to be to survive.
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The Jetsons meet the Flintstones!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtkGaFKs2rY
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