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WCDT Strips 3241 - 3245 (13-17 June 2016)
jheartney:
One last post defending Renee.
To those who think she's overprotecting Brun, I invite you to look again at this comic. Brun at the end both goes nonverbal and has to shut her eyes due to overstimulation. She literally grabs onto Clinton and depends on him to navigate her out of it. It's VERY lucky for Brun that she had a trustworthy person there to help her; otherwise things could have become very ugly.
Renee is apparently aware of this side of Brun, and knows how crucial it is for Brun to have a dependable companion if things get bad. Renee, unlike us, has no way to know that Clinton can fill this role. From her point of view this must have been a terrifying turn of events.
Neko_Ali:
While you bring up a good point, and I think it's quite likely how Renee sees the situation. However, this whole point hinges on whether or not Brun can be trusted to make a value call as to Clinton's character, or indeed anyone's character. Renee's reaction is that no, Brun can not be trusted to make that decision on her own. That thought strips Brun's agency from her. It's basically saying "You can't be trusted how to judge people's character, someone else has to do it for you." And unless that is very true, it's an incredibly shitty thing to think of a friend, and it's a very controlling thing. Basically wanting to vet and new friends Brun makes, and automatically rejecting Clinton without ever having met him. At best this is a reaction to serious problems with people either in Renee's or Brun's past who have taking advantage of one of them. Or it's a sign of an abusive relationship where Renee has to have all the control... Which would ironically make Renee the kind of person she warns Brun to stay away from. Obviously, life is rarely one extreme or the other, and their relationship likely falls somewhere in the middle.
But what Renee is ignoring or doesn't want to see is that Clinton isn't just some random guy. Brun at first didn't articulate this well because she was still partly non-responsive from the stress of everything. But she's gone to bat for Clinton and shown how he has demonstrated at least apparently kindness and good will with no sign of trying to take advantage of Brun. But Renee has brushed off all of Brun's opinions and thoughts on the matter and basically swept the matter under the rug with a 'I'm right but I don't want to argue, so we'll just stop talking about it now' reasoning.
eternitygirl:
If Renee is a baker who gets up at 4 AM and Brun is a bartender, who will traditionally get off work at 4 AM (probably later) when do they hang out? Do they have any overlapping awake-and-not-working hours? Are their friendships based exclusively on brunch on their mutual days off and phone tag? Sure, Brun seems to have had an earlier shift at least when she met Clinton, but if that is her regular shift, that is even worse. She would be starting work when Renee gets off work. Plus, the chances that they have the same days off regularly are pretty low - both those jobs often have regularly changing shifts, in my experience.
Maybe that's why Renee is so possessive. She never sees her good friend anymore, and is feeling really insecure about their relationship, and her friend just went through a massively traumatic event, which is something Brun can't handle very well, and as jheartney pointed out, Renee probably is aware of. Awww, she is just insecure and worried and trying to be a good friend and overcompensating.
blue5:
--- Quote from: Neko_Ali on 16 Jun 2016, 09:34 ---While you bring up a good point, and I think it's quite likely how Renee sees the situation. However, this whole point hinges on whether or not Brun can be trusted to make a value call as to Clinton's character, or indeed anyone's character. Renee's reaction is that no, Brun can not be trusted to make that decision on her own. That thought strips Brun's agency from her. It's basically saying "You can't be trusted how to judge people's character, someone else has to do it for you." And unless that is very true, it's an incredibly shitty thing to think of a friend, and it's a very controlling thing. Basically wanting to vet and new friends Brun makes, and automatically rejecting Clinton without ever having met him. At best this is a reaction to serious problems with people either in Renee's or Brun's past who have taking advantage of one of them. Or it's a sign of an abusive relationship where Renee has to have all the control... Which would ironically make Renee the kind of person she warns Brun to stay away from. Obviously, life is rarely one extreme or the other, and their relationship likely falls somewhere in the middle.
But what Renee is ignoring or doesn't want to see is that Clinton isn't just some random guy. Brun at first didn't articulate this well because she was still partly non-responsive from the stress of everything. But she's gone to bat for Clinton and shown how he has demonstrated at least apparently kindness and good will with no sign of trying to take advantage of Brun. But Renee has brushed off all of Brun's opinions and thoughts on the matter and basically swept the matter under the rug with a 'I'm right but I don't want to argue, so we'll just stop talking about it now' reasoning.
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That is a very good way to bring across how i feel about the character. Which makes one wonder, what kind of employer she would be?
My theory of the "friendship" of Renee and Brun goes like this. Brun moved to the town and is a bit introverted and went to the bakery where she met Renee and a friendship developed. Brun is trusting and upon getting the job at the bar may have developed a relationship with someone that went not so well. Renee seemed reasonable but has a need to control, and while she may have had a desire to help Brun, her own possible negative experiences in the past clouds her judgment.
She is the "I told you so" type of person, possibly and seeds the self doubt in Brun's mind. Also, there could be the possibility that Renee likes Brun, but Brun doesn't feel the same, but doesn't want to hurt Renee's feelings. Or may not be aware of her feelings. Which is why she said the worst possible things about Clinton to not let Brun was to create a friendship with Clinton.
Just my theory anyways....
jheartney:
We'll see if Renee ever warms up to Clinton. Or maybe we won't; unless Brun saved the soggy phone number, or has the presence of mind to go ask for him at COD, they might not meet again. Of course, the fact that we're still seeing Brun suggests she'll eventually have more dealings with the main cast.
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