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WCDT Strips 3246-3250 (20-24th June 2016)
oddtail:
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--- Quote from: Scarblac on 22 Jun 2016, 04:57 --- Where the word "with" comes from is unclear to me, it doesn't sound like it's related to either 'med/mit/mee' or 'avec', not even to 'cum'.
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Quote from OED:
OE. wiš = OFris. with, OS. wiš, ON. viš (Sw. vid, Da. ved): app. a shortening (peculiar to the Anglo-Frisian and Scandinavian areas) of the Com. Teut. *wider- (see s.v. wither a. and adv. and wither-1), perh. taking place orig. in compounds (cf. with- and the parallelism of OE. wižcéosan and wižercéosan to reject, wižstandan and wižerstandan to withstand, etc.).
Maybe someone understands that . . .
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To translate from "linguist" to "English", in case someone is interested:
"š" is the voiced form of "th" (so it's to "th" what "d" is to "t" or what "z" is to "s"). "ž" is the letter originally used for what became "th".
*wider- means that the form is reconstructed/guessed from later forms, that is - we don't know the original form, but that's our best approximation. Hence the asterisk. The form is parallel to the modern word "wither".
Originally, the word was possibly part of compounds, which is to say something made up of two combined words, but working as a single word (similar to "bathhouse" or "boytoy"). This can be compared to "with-" and the feature of Old English where various word structures using the same beginning were possible (by analogy or parallel to each other). The relevant examples from Old English are words like "wižcéosan" (pronounced roughly "with-KE-osan") and "wižercéosan" ("wither-KE-osan") meaning "reject", as well as "with-stand-an" and "wither-stand-an" meaning "withstand". Basically, it illustrates the use of the parallel "with/wither" as a beginning of multiple words.
As an additional comment, Old English had verbs that were conjugated (they had changing forms, mostly endings, depending on the role in the sentence), "-an" was the default, basic form that was replaced based on the rules of grammar. Modern English mostly dropped verb forms, unlike other Germanic languages.
DISCLAIMER: it's been almost a decade since I last used any of my linguistic knowledge for any reason and my knowledge is spotty, I might be getting some things horribly, terribly wrong.
Penquin47:
--- Quote from: Nepiophage on 22 Jun 2016, 09:41 ---
--- Quote from: Scarblac on 22 Jun 2016, 04:57 --- Where the word "with" comes from is unclear to me, it doesn't sound like it's related to either 'med/mit/mee' or 'avec', not even to 'cum'.
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Quote from OED:
OE. wiš = OFris. with, OS. wiš, ON. viš (Sw. vid, Da. ved): app. a shortening (peculiar to the Anglo-Frisian and Scandinavian areas) of the Com. Teut. *wider- (see s.v. wither a. and adv. and wither-1), perh. taking place orig. in compounds (cf. with- and the parallelism of OE. wižcéosan and wižercéosan to reject, wižstandan and wižerstandan to withstand, etc.).
Maybe someone understands that . . .
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Here's a better one:
--- Quote ---Old English wiš "against, opposite, from, toward, by, near," a shortened form related to wišer, from Proto-Germanic *withro- "against" (source also of Old Saxon withar "against," Old Norse višr "against, with, toward, at," Middle Dutch, Dutch weder, Dutch weer "again," Gothic wižra "against, opposite"), from PIE *wi-tero-, literally "more apart," suffixed form of root *wi- "separation" (source also of Sanskrit vi, Avestan vi- "asunder," Sanskrit vitaram "further, farther," Old Church Slavonic vutoru "other, second").
Sense shifted in Middle English to denote association, combination, and union, partly by influence of Old Norse vidh, and also perhaps by Latin cum "with" (as in pugnare cum "fight with"). In this sense, it replaced Old English mid "with," which survives only as a prefix (as in midwife). Original sense of "against, in opposition" is retained in compounds such as withhold, withdraw, withstand. Often treated as a conjunction by ungrammatical writers and used where and would be correct. First record of with child "pregnant" is recorded from c. 1200. With it "cool" is African-American vernacular, recorded by 1931. French avec "with" was originally avoc, from Vulgar Latin *abhoc, from apud hoc, literally "with this."
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mad hands murphy:
she should open a second shop next to COD called Coffee of Nice and let people pick their experience
Kugai:
Yay for Barry
Maybe he was rescued by Dolphins ;D
Who are you and what have you done with the real Dora?
Akima:
I learned "distaff" as simply a metaphor meaning "pertaining to women". The antonym is supposedly "spear", but you don't really hear that, because men are regarded as the standard, from which women have to be distinguished. Of course. :roll: I've never heard the term "distaff sibling", but if I had, I'd have read it in the sense of all women being sisters.
You know, looking at that chair with Bubbles sitting in it, it has to be a custom job, made to fit her. Bubbles sitting is only slightly lower than Hanners, a tall woman, standing (though leaning forward slightly). Imagine how high the back of that chair must be.
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