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Alice Grove MCDLT - December 2016

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BenRG:
It's interesting that Sedna says that Church chose to brutally murder Ellie rather than just disarm or immobilise. her. That strongly implies that Church is fully self-aware and independent. He has chosen to work for Pate. Maybe they have complimentary goals and/or attitudes but Pate has the resources, contacts and charisma to get things Church never could by force.

I'm suddenly getting a strongly similar feeling of how the Darth Vader/Emperor relationship was originally presented in the Original Trilogy - The Emperor being politically powerful but needing Vader to be his enforcer because, fundamentally, he was nowhere near as personally strong. One wonders if, when push comes to shove, Mr Pate will turn out to be as formidable foe as Darth Sideous!

What is more, we all know what Darth Vader's endgame was going to be. Once the Emperor was of no further use to him? In the end, there could be only one Top Dog in the Sith!

"Alice... join me. Together, we will finally end this war and rule this system together... as brother and sister. Alice... You will destroy Pate... He himself has forseen this... Alice... it is your destiny!"

Kugai:
But does that mean that Church will eventually toss Pate down a long shaft into a Reactor?


I hope Sedna's right and they can deal with Church.

pwhodges:
Re whether Pate might be enhanced or not: he makes it clear when talking to Ardent that he is not like Alice et al - though of course we can't really trust what he says when buttering up Ardent, I guess.

plusorminus:
@BenRG, but wasn't Sideous confirmed as one of the most powerful Sith ever? Yeah, Vader was bad ass but he also couldn't exist outside the suit. Palps was weakened by the Force Lightning blast, but not as much as Anakin? I thought?

Anyway, I also find Sedna's word choice interesting. Considering that had Alice continued wailing on her, Gavia could have and likely would have ended up like Ellie, nanotech or no, Alice did stop when Ardent pleaded with her, and she stopped herself from killing Ardent when she thought he might be the Praeses' pawn. Considering that Sedna didn't know that Church was at the level of her and Alice on sight, for that statement to be factual, it means that Sedna learned something about Church off-panel. Because there is nothing in what we've seen of him that indicates he has anything near to Alice's restraint or Sedna's empathy.

And I am starting to love Sedna more and more. While I would have loved to see Ardent's initial reaction to the news of the recent events, this scene works really nicely. He understands the danger they're in, he understand's Pate's goal, and he understands that he is in the middle of this. Very nicely done. I also like seeing Ardent's continued character growth. But for some backsliding, he's gotten off the "We're on vacation!" lark completely. I think it was more or less gone after the Nightwalker took Gavia's nanotech, but I think with Ellie's death, he is understanding the stakes here. He's been sort of seen as a goofball cinnamon roll but I think we're gonna see Ardent as the one putting Church's head on a spike. Can't wait.

Method of Madness:
Anakin's body was pretty much destroyed by lava, that's why he couldn't exist outside the suit. Palpatine got pretty badly electrocuted by his own lightning, but it was reflected off Mace's light saber so that...softened it? I don't know, it's not really clear.

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