Comic Discussion > ALICE GROVE
Alice Grove MCDLT - December 2016
pwhodges:
Pate implies that Alice and Mr Church aren't so greatly different in their capabilities, in that he suggests the two of them break open the bunker together. If Mr Church was so much more capable than Alice it would be pointless for her to help him. So it seems that although Mr Church may be in some ways superior to Alice, he is still the same class of being.
TheEvilDog:
--- Quote from: pwhodges on 03 Dec 2016, 10:27 ---Pate implies that Alice and Mr Church aren't so greatly different in their capabilities, in that he suggests the two of them break open the bunker together. If Mr Church was so much more capable than Alice it would be pointless for her to help him. So it seems that although Mr Church may be in some ways superior to Alice, he is still the same class of being.
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Though Pate could be referring to an unstoppable force meeting an immovable object scenario, Church's brutal strength meeting Alice's armour.
And thinking along those lines, I would be surprised if we find out that Alice, Sedna and Church were weaponised aspects for some program during the conflict before the Blink, embodying one specific trait to be used as a weapon. Think the Ultimate Shield, the Ultimate Spear, the Artillerist and so on.
brasca:
--- Quote from: jheartney on 03 Dec 2016, 10:08 ---Sounds like Alice's brilliant plan to run away wouldn't have worked very well; how do you run from something capable of near-infinite speed?
Alice, as powerful as she is, has never struck me as particularly smart. She's going to have to outthink Pate/Church if she wants to get out of this. The key would have to be understanding whatever hold Pate has over Church. Mere force won't get you anywhere in this situation, and that's not a place Alice is familiar with.
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Until now outwitting an opponent wasn't necessary, but I think this attempt to kill Pate wasn't her losing her temper, but a test of Church's abilities. Now if he is capable of teleportation as some have postulated there is still a limit otherwise he could appear on the space habitats. It's also a test of Pate's temperament since he could've threatened or ordered Church to kill a random archaeophile, but since Ellie's death was not enough to dissuade her from attempting to kill him he's upped the ante to harming Gavia. This may also reveal some limitations to Pate's intelligence gathering. Pate may not know about Gavia's recent loss of powers and doesn't realize she can't heal from an attack as quickly as she did.
jheartney:
I think Pate sees Gavia as entirely expendable, rather like Ellie. Sedna and Alice are useful as super-soldiers, and Ardent has his magic touch, but Gavia is just the gal that used to have nanotech. Alice and Ardent apparently care about her, so she's useful for applying coercion. But for herself, Gavia isn't important enough to not kill.
brasca:
And hopefully that may lead to his undoing. If he thinks she's nothing more than a hostage he can threaten to compel Alice and Ardent to obey him he may keep her close enough that she could possibly figure out how Pate controls Church and break that link. Or she may regain her ability to control her nanotechnology and if is now linked to the Night Walker that would give her an advantage.
I also suspect that he decided not to fulfill that threat since he's probably going to use that threat against Ardent once he's awake and sober.
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