Comic Discussion > ALICE GROVE
Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
jheartney:
--- Quote from: ConmanTheBarbarian on 17 Jan 2017, 14:38 ---Pate needs Church with him in orbit, to be able to demand things from the Praeses.
Maybe he wants to rule the solar system, or get a nanotech upgrade or two for himself; longevity and Gavia's offensive/defensive powers for a start.
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I think this is right. Pate and Church are a double-act, like Penn and Teller. Except in this case it's the shorter one who talks.
jwhouk:
It'd be funny (and be a "kick the dog" moment) if he sacrifices Church to launch the spaceship...
BenRG:
--- Quote from: ConmanTheBarbarian on 17 Jan 2017, 14:38 ---Pate needs Church with him in orbit, to be able to demand things from the Praeses.
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I would laugh my butt off if the first thing Cupressence says when they walk into its arboretum is: "Ah, Mr Pate. We've been waiting for you for a while; as you've noticed, we went to some small trouble to attract your attention and bring you here."
brasca:
--- Quote from: Neko_Ali on 17 Jan 2017, 11:11 ---I'm not convinced that Alice and Sedna were part of Pate's plan. He wants into orbit, so he needed the techno archaeologists to find a spacecraft. He knew in general at least about the existence of pre-war beings like Alice because of Church. But he never bothered to go collect them. It wasn't until Ardent came into play that he decided to get involved. I would say that he sees Ardent's ability as a shortcut to get into space. Now that he has an orbiter, he doesn't need to spend the time and expense to get it working if Ardent can do that with a touch. Alice and Sedna are complications. Without them he can easily force Ardent to do what he wants. He can't ignore them because they would keep coming after him to save Ardent. Forcing them to work for him though keeps them in line for a little while. Depending on how arrogant he is, he may think he can keep them under control in space. Or once the orbiter is working again he just might have Church buy him enough time to launch with only Ardent on board. He could just leave them all there and launch with just Church, but it seems unlikely that he would give up such potential power that Ardent represents.
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Sedna may not have been part of the plan since she kept to herself so few people probably knew of her location, but I'm fairly certain Alice was always going to factor into Pate's plan. Ardent and Gavia wouldn't have left on their own to find a spaceship without Alice leading them so if they stayed put in her village sooner or later Pate would've arrived with Church to persuade them. Perhaps he was planning to visit when he received enough intelligence, but had to postpone it when Alice left the village. If he didn't need Alice he could have just ordered Church to kill her there or after he revealed his intentions. As for Sedna he doesn't have a need to kill her since Church easily outclasses her and since she's from the past she has valuable knowledge he could use so capturing her is just an unintended bonus. He won't leave them behind because they could cause trouble while he's away and he needs hostages so that he can intimidate Ardent into doing his bidding. Ardent might be willing to sacrifice his life to thwart their plans, but he wouldn't risk everyone else.
Strange that there isn't a lot more dust after 5000 years, but it's like Pate said they knew how to build bunkers in the old days.
Neko_Ali:
What I was saying though was that Alice isn't necessary for Pate to get what he wants. Ardent provides a possible short cut to get him into space, while Alice and Sedna are problems to him. Right now he has them managed. But she doesn't want to work for him, and the longer he keeps her around the more chance she has to do something about it. We don't know that Church could kill Alice and Sedna. He was able to hurt Sedna, but again it's back to we don't know what their real capabilities are.
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