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Alice Grove MCDLT - April 2017
Method of Madness:
2. Alice could very well know his name, but didn't think it as relevant as letting them know how powerful he was.
6. Just because Church doesn't speak doesn't mean he can't.
Interesting post, though!
Samik:
Now this is quite a panel. A lot to digest.
Seems pretty safe that those are Alice and Church. Alice is instantly recognizable, so for it to not be Church would be a misdirection that I don't immediately see a narrative purpose for. And anyway it helps account for Alice's reaction when she first meets Church. What it does make me think about again though, is if Church's apparent lack of recognition of Alice was due to lost memory, or just very good self-control. I am really leaning towards damaged memory. Continue to believe that Church is cognitively damaged, in significant enough ways that Pate was able to exploit it, and his obedience is not voluntary.
Do think that Alice somehow managed to cripple Church through her own battle prowess (or at least a protracted application of whatever assets she does have at her disposal). The ?orbital? strike doesn't actually look like it did him any damage - looks like it was more about creating the lava pool for him to be locked in. So, she may not have all the resources she had way back when, but I'm expecting she's going to show, in the present, that she's still got some tricks up her sleeve.
--- Quote from: brasca ---If she can hover then it's an ability she doesn't seem to use anymore.
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I'm beginning to wonder. Thinking back on it, there are a couple moments where hovering might have been employed. Punching through Gavia's nanotech way back when - she had time to make contact, recognize the barrier, deliver a couple of lines, then press on through it. Wouldn't seem possible without levitation (though could have just been artistic license). Also jumping up into the walker to rescue Gavia, it could have come in handy, though there's no evidence in the art. And then of course they all can apparently move in vacuum. Counter evidence is her falling off the wind turbine, obviously.
I'm also starting to have a hypothesis that Alice's memory/abilities may have degraded somewhat as well (I thought I remembered there being a panel about this, but I wasn't able to find it right away. I'll keep looking). Perhaps she also took damage in the fight we're seeing now, or maybe even super soldiers don't last forever without degradation. There's a possibility that she's going to need to remember some of her own functionality, to win this one.
Kugai:
Excuse me folks, but you're forgetting the OTHER Super Soldier from the Pre-Blink Era
Sedna
brasca:
--- Quote from: Samik on 16 Apr 2017, 20:20 ---Now this is quite a panel. A lot to digest.
Seems pretty safe that those are Alice and Church. Alice is instantly recognizable, so for it to not be Church would be a misdirection that I don't immediately see a narrative purpose for. And anyway it helps account for Alice's reaction when she first meets Church. What it does make me think about again though, is if Church's apparent lack of recognition of Alice was due to lost memory, or just very good self-control. I am really leaning towards damaged memory. Continue to believe that Church is cognitively damaged, in significant enough ways that Pate was able to exploit it, and his obedience is not voluntary.
Do think that Alice somehow managed to cripple Church through her own battle prowess (or at least a protracted application of whatever assets she does have at her disposal). The ?orbital? strike doesn't actually look like it did him any damage - looks like it was more about creating the lava pool for him to be locked in. So, she may not have all the resources she had way back when, but I'm expecting she's going to show, in the present, that she's still got some tricks up her sleeve.
--- Quote from: brasca ---If she can hover then it's an ability she doesn't seem to use anymore.
--- End quote ---
I'm beginning to wonder. Thinking back on it, there are a couple moments where hovering might have been employed. Punching through Gavia's nanotech way back when - she had time to make contact, recognize the barrier, deliver a couple of lines, then press on through it. Wouldn't seem possible without levitation (though could have just been artistic license). Also jumping up into the walker to rescue Gavia, it could have come in handy, though there's no evidence in the art. And then of course they all can apparently move in vacuum. Counter evidence is her falling off the wind turbine, obviously.
I'm also starting to have a hypothesis that Alice's memory/abilities may have degraded somewhat as well (I thought I remembered there being a panel about this, but I wasn't able to find it right away. I'll keep looking). Perhaps she also took damage in the fight we're seeing now, or maybe even super soldiers don't last forever without degradation. There's a possibility that she's going to need to remember some of her own functionality, to win this one.
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You bring up some interesting points. Thinking back she threatened to seal Sedna in lava so it may not have been an idle threat if she's done it before and works effectively. It's still unclear as to whether Alice can levitate or fly. It seems like she could in the past, but if she could in the present it would've made more sense to fly up and attack the Night Walker instead of leaping. Maybe she lost that ability over time as you theorize or lost it in battle. She doesn't wield the war hammer anymore. It also seems like she can move in space, but perhaps it's different in a vacuum or she pushed herself off of something to punch Church.
OldGoat:
So Alice had done this before.
Edit:
--- Quote from: brasca on 16 Apr 2017, 22:22 ---Thinking back she threatened to seal Sedna in lava so it may not have been an idle threat if she's done it before and works effectively.
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JINX! You owe me a brew! :-D
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