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WCDT Strips 3456-3460 (10th to 14th April 2017)

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brasca:

--- Quote from: TheEvilDog on 09 Apr 2017, 21:18 ---The thing is, Bubbles and Faye are meant to be business partners, as in they should both make important decisions together.

Only that didn't happen here, Faye made a huge decision without consulting Bubbles and just came in and announced it. Considering the manipulative crap Bubbles went through with Corpse Witch, then she does have the right to feel angry that Faye made a unilateral decision without at least talking about it.

As for what Bubbles has done or is bringing to the enterprise, well I would say in no particular order; a list of associated business contacts, suppliers, a customer base, experience and technical knowledge as well as equipment and the like. You could argue that Faye could have brought that, but let's be honest, Faye was the last one into the Pitshop at the Skate Park, Bubbles was the one who had all the established connections, arguably making it easier for herself and Faye to get the business from an idea to an actual business.

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Agreed and Faye should know better that the last person Bubbles was in business with together has a lot to do with her current trust issues.  All it would've taken was a courtesy call. 

Tova:

--- Quote from: Milayna on 09 Apr 2017, 21:07 ---Yeah, I'm going to have to come down on Faye's side on this one. This co-signing with Dora, is this something that Bubbles would disapprove of? Then she can voice her disapproval right there and bring it to a halt. Is it something she would approve of? Then whence the problem? In otherwords, she had the opportunity, right there on the couch, as an equal, to approve or disapprove. She did not take it.

If she wanted more advance warning: Faye's phrasing in the third panel is bad, but she's not wrong. She can't run every single thing by Bubbles (Nor can Bubbles run every single thing by Faye; they're on equal grounds here) and some things are time-sensitive and cannot wait for a meeting and debate. Did Faye have any reason to believe that Bubbles would not approve of this? I don't even mean a LIKELY reason; did Faye have any reason AT ALL to believe that Bubbles would be against the idea? I haven't seen any reason for her to expect that. If she (or Bubbles) believes that the other will very likely approve of an idea, then it's reasonable to go ahead with it - in fact it might get tedious to have to "rubberstamp" what the other knows full well they'll approve.

And, well, what exactly HAS Bubbles done in this enterprise? I'm not sure who contacted that landlord but it seems likely it was Faye. Bubbles did inventory and logistics calculations, which are certainly valuable, but not leadership-type things. It was Faye that made the call to the city for permits, Faye who said she poke around for a fab shop, Faye who's done all the negotiating...even with Dora, whom Bubbles had suggested they consult with. I went back a ways and didn't find ANYTHING other than "ask a friend?" that Bubbles has done of her own initiative. What is she doing RIGHT NOW to move this forward? Is she thinking of ideas? Helping look for fab shops? Securing other financial considerations? Looking for clients? Designing trademarks and advertising? Drawing up a business plan? No, she's sitting quietly, reading a book about succulent care. If she wants to be involved equally in making decisions...she needs to actually make decisions, or do things proactively to move forward with this. It isn't fair to leave all of the leadership to Faye then throw a tantrum when she does leader things or that herself is only involved in approving or disapproving the decisions Faye makes. If Faye has to sit on her ass, too, to make it "equal", then this thing will never get off the ground.

Now leader stuff is a skill, mostly for outgoing people, and Bubbles is not. I really don't think that that will be her strong suit, and that's ok, because Faye makes up for that weakness while Bubbles makes up for Faye's weaknesses. But, again, it's not reasonable to expect to be involved in a role that she can't or doesn't proactively go into.

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I don't think that it is entirely fair to judge what Bubbles may or may not currently be doing to propel the business on the mere fact that she happens to be reading a book on succulent care at this specific moment, as though she ought to be working on the business 24/7.

This is merely the latest in a series of unilateral decisions (including that of starting the business in the first place, I might add), otherwise I would agree with the rest of your analysis.

foolsguinea:
#3456!
Sequential digits!

I was looking at Marten in this strip and decided to compare his appearance in #1, #1152 (a third this far), and #1728 (half this far). Still looks like the same guy, actually. Maybe a little different in #2304.

Milayna:
If Bubbles is doing stuff to move forward that Faye doesn't know, that's one thing. If she's doing things that readers don't know, that's another. Since I haven't seen her do any leadership stuff, and this is a work of fantasy and conservation of detail applies, I have to assume that she hasn't done any leader stuff.

"experience and technical knowledge" are, again, valuable to an enterprise but they are operational things, not leadership things. Hiring, or finding people with experience and technical knowledge is; determining exactly what capacity the business will need them in is; setting up her own role - supervisor? chief technician? is; those all require consultation with her partner - but merely possessing experience and knowledge does not.

Bringing to the business "a list of associated business contacts, suppliers, a customer base," is also valuable. But has she contacted any of them? Has she determined what roles the business plan needs? Figured out which entries in her list are best for those roles? Which suppliers she wants to contact for which widgets? How much they need? Has she conceptualized any advertisements or an advertisement plan - radio buys, flyers, word of mouth? Has she contacted her potential customer base? Those are all things that she can consult with Faye and make decisions about...or begin unilaterally, if she feels she has the authority.

Merely bringing resources to an operation doesn't impart leadership; it's making decisions about those resources that do. And Bubbles is probably in a position to make more unilateral decisions about this than Faye is - Faye doesn't know anything about Bubbles' contacts. Managing the supply chain is probably Bubbles' province; financial contacts, permits, and spokesmanning is more in Fayes' area; and both of them need to work out their business plan and advertising strategy.

Bubbles coming off a manipulative situation is a good point though. I'm not convinced she really wants to do this, or is just going along with what Faye wants because Faye can be pushy. I don't think that Bubbles really has any idea of what she wants, except maybe to take some respite. In which case, she needs to make a decision and be upfront about it; is she going to commit to this thing or not? If not, she can't just sit on her resources, make Faye pull her along, and then get snappy when Faye pulls.

mikmaxs:
Okay, fair is fair, this looks like it could develop into decent conflict. I think Bubbles is being overly petty (especially since Faye didn't say that the deal was already signed, just that the problem had been solved,) but it's not entirely unreasonable.
I'm cautiously optomistic that this will develop somewhere interesting and not be solved in a few panels. Slight contrivance aside, it's looking good so far!

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