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WCDT Strips 3461-3465 (17-21 April 2017)
WareWolf:
--- Quote from: pwhodges on 21 Apr 2017, 00:14 ---My wife determined the crucial change in our relationship as being when she let me leave my toothbrush in her bathroom.
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Toothbrushes at both apts, or just one toothbrush at hers? Because the latter is REAL commitment.
pwhodges:
It had to be two, as at the time I was working in a city 100 miles away and doing a weekly return journey. The toothbrush marked the change from a weekly visit to her place to a weekly commute from her place.
Gyrre:
So, the average American refrigerator is 67 to 70 inches (~170 to ~177cm) tall.
Looks like we can ball park Bubble's height around 6'3" to 6'7" (190 to 200cm).
JoeCovenant:
--- Quote from: Tova on 21 Apr 2017, 02:49 ---
--- Quote from: JoeCovenant on 21 Apr 2017, 02:34 ---Why does 'Complexity' alter the fact that AI's are still machines?
And that machines (as we know them, as we have no evidence to the contrary) do not 'forget' data unless programmed (or made) to do so.
I completely understand and agree with arguing for the *personhood* of the AIs in this universe.
But that does not alter the fact that they are not biological entities, and as such cannot have the same arguments put forward to compare them against the way we 'keen, neat humans' work.
To use your example above, the only evidence we have to date (Emily in Bubbles mind) is that AI's are like those savants you discuss above. They have total recall, unless acted upon by an outside influence... That, of course, is leaving aside degradation of storage systems etc... "The centre cannot hold..." and all that.
But unless Bubbles is VERY old, surely the AI version of dementia hasn't kicked in?
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I think that the key phrase in your post is "(machines) as we know them."
AIs in QC are not machines as we know them. What's more, they are an emergent species, and thus may well share some characteristics with biological species. But as we have no real evidence, as you say. We are left to speculate.
I am not here to categorically state that you are wrong. Merely to ask why you seem so confident in your opinion that AIs have perfect recall.
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Ohhhh I am NOT confident in it. (Although, with nothing to say otherwise... No-one could be right or wrong I n this one, I think?)
I am merely puzzled by what seems to ME to be clashing facts. That Bubbles recalls the details of the attack, but not the faces of those engaged in it. At all. For all the time they were together.
As I said in another post, it seems a bit of a 'lazy' way to get some added pathos into Bubbles story, which is bugging me because (to me) Bubbles has been one of the best written characters in this entire strip.
However, answering logically... I guess the simplest answer is, "because we have no evidence of anything else."
Emily was shown a *depiction* of Bubbles 'memories. And if such a construct could be rendered to make sense to a human, then it also means those same memories can be understood in a "thoughts in a box" way. And if that is the case (which it clearly is), then those same memories must be able to be retrieved in the same manner... surely? Because if they could not... how could Emily see if they were there or not?
JoeCovenant:
--- Quote from: Case on 21 Apr 2017, 05:39 ---
--- Quote from: JoeCovenant on 21 Apr 2017, 02:34 ---To use your example above, the only evidence we have to date (Emily in Bubbles mind) is that AI's are like those savants you discuss above. They have total recall, unless acted upon by an outside influence...
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No, what we have is evidence that their memory can be erased by outside influence, not that that's the only way data might vanish from their memory. "Absence of evidence != evidence of absence"
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Um.. That's what I said in the first line above...
"The only evidence we have to date."
And that's all we can state for certain... everything else is hypothetical.
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