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WCDT Strips 3461-3465 (17-21 April 2017)
pwhodges:
--- Quote from: JoeCovenant on 24 Apr 2017, 09:36 ---Computer based Machines have Total Recall of anything they have been asked, forced, chosen to remember...
Those memories (data) will remain unless acted upon by an outside influence
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This assumes that QC's AIs use our current technology. But we know that our present AIs cannot approach the capabilities of QC's AIs - so I assume they use some different technology, as our own brains do. Whether it's like Asimov's positronic brains, or some form of quantum computing, or something completely else, I cannot say; but that it's different we probably can. And given the possibility of "brains" or "cpus" that maybe use some statistical methods in their operation - who knows? - it is far from the bounds of possibility that their memories might also not be 100% accurate under some circumstances.
Another possibility is that they hold too much information to be searched efficiently, and so failure to find memories is another option, even if they are present.
Tova:
--- Quote from: JoeCovenant on 24 Apr 2017, 09:36 ---If it's been mentioned in the strip.. I've forgotten it...
...'cos I'm not a machine... :wink:
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Interesting thing is, although you've forgotten it, it's almost certainly still there in your mind. Someone gives your memory a little prod, posts a link, and you'll say, "Oh yes, now I remember!"
When we forget stuff, it doesn't, generally speaking, disappear from our minds, our internal library of experiences. We just lose the index card.
Seeing as AIs are very like we humans in so many respects, it is highly likely that they are like us in this respect also. Bubbles' encrypted memories - had they truly been encrypted, though it turned out they weren't - but had they been, they would have been a very good analogy for repressed trauma, which I'm sure was Jeph's goal. I also see it as very likely that AIs "forgetting" an experience would be very like us - it's still there in their AI mind, but they can't "recall" it (i.e. bring it back into their conscious mind). As pwhodges suggested, they experience "failure to find memories."
I honestly cannot comprehend how certain you are in your belief based on a slim bit of evidence that AI memory must resemble that of a computer (which I doubt) - but then, when presented with much stronger evidence (Bubbles has forgotten the faces of her teammates), you would rather act aggrieved and assume Jeph got it wrong than review your belief. How extraordinary.
JoeCovenant:
--- Quote from: Thrudd on 24 Apr 2017, 11:56 ---Very interesting series of points made in this discussion but one phrase made the hairs on my neck stand on end and a chill run down my spine.
I was getting flashbacks from philosophy 101 / Modern Inductive Logic 310. Two courses where the professors would have annihilated each other if they ever met, sort of like a loopy electron and a no-nonsense positron.
--- Quote from: JoeCovenant on 24 Apr 2017, 09:36 ---Nothing points to a *fact* that these machines do not have total recall.
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The absence of evidence that something does not exist is not evidence that it exists.
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You're absolutely right.
But this is a made-up universe, upon which we can only transfer our 'own world' realities, until we are presented with something that actively stands contrary to what we know.
What we know is, computers store data which they are fed, and unless pre-programmed to do so, will not lose that data...
And logically, what sense does it make to program a Combat AI to have the capacity to *forget* what it's squad mates look like?
(Mind you, that might deny the old oxymoron... "Military Intelligence" :) )
There is no evidence that memory loss *does* happen, so that's all we can go with.
JoeCovenant:
--- Quote from: Morituri on 24 Apr 2017, 12:38 ---Anyway, what Bubbles said sounds like an after-action report or a deployment debriefing. It would for damn sure be a matter of record before she left the military forces, assuming she remembered it at the time. The AARs are always, always, always a high priority after any contact with the enemy.
Anyway, it sounds to me like somebody read back to her her own testimony from the standard debriefing. Even if she doesn't actually remember the events themselves, she'd know what happened.
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I think I may have made similar comments above.
And as I have now said too many times it's what bothers me about the way this has been written.
JoeCovenant:
--- Quote from: Tova on 24 Apr 2017, 15:40 ---
--- Quote from: JoeCovenant on 24 Apr 2017, 09:36 ---If it's been mentioned in the strip.. I've forgotten it...
...'cos I'm not a machine... :wink:
--- End quote ---
Interesting thing is, although you've forgotten it, it's almost certainly still there in your mind. Someone gives your memory a little prod, posts a link, and you'll say, "Oh yes, now I remember!"
When we forget stuff, it doesn't, generally speaking, disappear from our minds, our internal library of experiences. We just lose the index card.
Seeing as AIs are very like we humans in so many respects, it is highly likely that they are like us in this respect also. Bubbles' encrypted memories - had they truly been encrypted, though it turned out they weren't - but had they been, they would have been a very good analogy for repressed trauma, which I'm sure was Jeph's goal. I also see it as very likely that AIs "forgetting" an experience would be very like us - it's still there in their AI mind, but they can't "recall" it (i.e. bring it back into their conscious mind). As pwhodges suggested, they experience "failure to find memories."
I honestly cannot comprehend how certain you are in your belief based on a slim bit of evidence that AI memory must resemble that of a computer (which I doubt) - but then, when presented with much stronger evidence (Bubbles has forgotten the faces of her teammates), you would rather act aggrieved and assume Jeph got it wrong than review your belief. How extraordinary.
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How passive-aggressive.
And here was me thinking I was merely indulging in light-hearted debate.
I didn't realise I had to extrapolate to the nth degree to attempt to back up my own theories. (As such as they are on ALL sides, with no actual proof either way.)
But you're right, of course.
How dare I theorise that a walking computer (no matter how complex or sophisticated, or programmed to respond emotionally) would have a computer based recall (no matter how complex or sophisticated, or programmed to respond in as human a fashion as possible)...
What an idiot I must be!!
I shan't bother you on this topic again, then.
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