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Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2017

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JimC:

--- Quote from: BenRG on 04 Jun 2017, 11:49 ---...liberator only acting out of the desire to help his people.
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Well, bye and large, I guess they have to believe that if they want to sleep at night. Usually wrapped up in stuff about destiny and the good of the people. There's precious few who, if they


--- Quote from: RichardIII ---... cannot prove a lover, To entertain these fair well-spoken days, [are] determined to prove a villain And hate the idle pleasures of these days.
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There's a lovely bit of comic satire of the whole attitude in CS Lewis' Out of the Silent Planet where the prospective interplanetary overlord, Weston, makes a high blown speech in english about destiny and the future of the human race, but it has to be translated by the hero Ransom, who has a limited vocabulary in the destination language, and it loses more than a little in the translation. If you're not familiar with the book its somehow on Canadian Gutenberg here, https://www.gutenberg.ca/ebooks/lewiscs-outofthesilentplanet/lewiscs-outofthesilentplanet-00-h.html , you want chapter 20 starting at "Speak to Ransom and he shall turn it into our speech"

OldGoat:
Ah but Jesper, if Gavia offs you and Church is masterless, and he may well fall in behind her as the #1 Bad-Ass.

brasca:

--- Quote from: sitnspin on 04 Jun 2017, 12:35 ---"Then the war happened". It just happened. It wasn't a thing humanity did, it was a thing that just passively happened. And the way he just blithely refers to a period of time that resulted in countless deaths and incalculable suffering as if it was an inconvenience. I've always thought Pate was an arrogant piece of trash, but he's cranking it up to 11. I'm seeing how he became someone Church would follow. He really is a vicious and nasty piece of work.

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Well keep in mind Pate only knows what he knows from the resources available.  Most of it's archaeological work and what Church probably told him, but if he was, "but a pawn in this great game of life" he wouldn't have much to contribute other than his brute strength.  And hindsight is always 2020.  We often look back at some of the great wars and comment on how foolish our ancestors were, but at the time they had their reasons for fighting and I suspect the humans of 5000 years ago.

I thought we'd be getting some exposition from Alice, but this works too because it reveals a lot about Pate's character.  He blames Alice for doing nothing to further progress, but that doesn't mean she's been spending her endless lifetime suppressing it.  If she had she probably would've confronted Church sooner.  He also blames the space dwellers, but it's not like Ardent and Gavia had any say over how things are done and Alice suspects the Praeses are on the same page as Pate.  And that could be a problem if they finally make an appearance after that speech.  It reminds me of Londo Mollari's answer to Morden's question.  If that's the answer they're looking for then they might finally introduce themselves.  //www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xKFTylKrPM
It didn't take long for Pate to regain his bravado.  They live as long as he lives and right now which is a short term solution until they leave wherever it is in the habitat. 

blt:
They could always dismember him a little bit.

brasca:
Pate does bring up an interesting point.  We've been focused on the Praeses and what they could be scheming. since near beginning of this strip.  Alice seems to think they want to conquer Earth, but even if that's the case and the planet has been off limits because of her the rest of their solar system is theirs for the taking.  With the technology they possess they could have terraformed Venus and Mars by now as well as colonize worlds outside our solar system if interstellar travel is possible.  They really wouldn't need Earth unless they're obsessed with having a complete set.  Maybe they already have conquered this corner of the galaxy and people like Ardent and Gavia are ignorant of this, but it seems like the Praeses may be holding back humanity in their own way.  Perhaps their disagreement with Alice is they want to breed out aggression and keep humanity content while she thinks struggle is good for the soul as long as it's kept low tech. 

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