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WCDT Strips 3546 to 3550 (14th to 18th August 2017)
ChipNoir:
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--- Quote from: KnightRider007 on 18 Aug 2017, 03:52 ---Yeah, that definition of 'privilege', and that USE of 'privilege' has always pissed me off. "You have privilege because you're white!" No. 'Privilege' is not some nebulous thing granted by your skin color. It's a concrete advantage, financial and social that *tends to correlate* with race, *on average*. You can't say "You have privilege because you're white", it's "If you're white, you're *more likely to be privileged*". You can't apply population averages to individuals.
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Sometimes, privilege is the absence of something - say, harassment. It's hard to perceive by people who do have the advantage; and often it's hilariously frustrating to explain it to them.
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Yeah. As one of the only three white people in the Detroit neighborhood I lived in for a season, I had the distinction of being the 90% safest person there after my dad, who I was living with at the time. A young group of black guys actually crossed the street to avoid him, lest any trouble from law enforcement remotely start and rain holy hell down on them and the rest of the neighborhood.
That's privilege, and it's something that perhaps the more comfortable people saying "There's no such thing is privilege" don't realize or appreciate they even have. And that's when the hostility starts, when people outright ignore or deny this fact. If you think privilege means wealth, power, and comfort, it's not always that obvious.
If you ignore this, I don't blame anyone for being hostile towards you. I have all the feelings for you in the world for having a shit day when it happens, but you could have avoided that if you'd made better life choices.
ChipNoir:
--- Quote from: Cornelius on 18 Aug 2017, 04:39 ---
--- Quote from: brightwings00 on 18 Aug 2017, 04:23 ---But May did jail time. She served her sentence. She's been punished.
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She is still on parole, unless somewhere off screen she did finish her time. The wiki suggests - not as canon as the comic, I know - that her current chassis may be the equivalent of an ankle bracelet for parolees.
Aside from that, yes, she's allowed her emotions, and she's worthy of respect, like anyone else. But like anyone else, she also needs to consider the feelings of other people. I suspect that that may be part of the rationale behind the virtual companionship program she participated in; a first step to rehabilitation and reintroduction to society.
Question; if we look at panel three; how often do you suppose Hannelore has been put in that position? She has become more confident and able to deal with the world, that is certain.
Also, on the following panel, I think it's nice how she is reassuring him, for a change.
--- Quote from: brightwings00 on 18 Aug 2017, 04:28 ---Intersectionality is a thing.
If you're a white person in a wheelchair, you still benefit from being white. You just don't benefit from being able-bodied. There's a whole bunch of different forces at work, and it's silly to pretend that white women, for instance, don't have it better than black women, or a gay person with a disability has the exact same circumstances as a straight person with a disability.
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I agree, there are benefits, and as such, privilege is a thing. However, the argument that because you believe your interlocutor profits from a certain privilege, therefore their opinion is not worth hearing, and their feelings are invalid, is a very ugly argument. Helping each other understand their mutual bias, and working towards a solution is much more productive. Sadly, and again, in my experience, that is very seldomly the route taken.
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That's the problem: Winslow doesn't have an opinion. He has an emotion, and he desperately wanted May to validate something that really is pretty shallow. Winslow doesn't need that body, not really. Hanners provides for him everything he needs. He doesn't have anywhere to go,hence why he went straight for the only two people he actually knows (and not very well). He admits he didn't even think about what to do with that body.
May and Momo have lives they want to lead. Winslow just wanted to have attention on him again after the friends he really wasn't that close to started having their own lives. That in itself is really, really, REALLY miopic and deserving of a smack on the head.
But hey, he's progressing now, so I'm prepared to see where he goes with this. Had the comic gone towards patronizing him and "Oh May's just a jerk" I'd probably have skived off reading the comic for a month.
snufflebottoms:
--- Quote ---Winslow doesn't need that body, not really.
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He sat on his side all day for God know's how long, unable to get up all alone. Yeah, he was safe. And Hanner's DOES provide what he needs, like a new body. He didn't need it in the purest sense of the word but it was certainly a reasonable request, one which he was willing to work for.
I mean you could argue that May doesn't need two arms. She was able to do much more than Winslow was in the ipad with just one arm. But just because she can technically survive without the arm, doesn't mean she doesn't need it.
Also, now that Winslow has a body, he can make a life to lead. But he's on day one of that opportunity.
Cornelius:
Exactly. I wonder how many people restricted to their rooms because of a disability would like to be told they don't need the treatment that would let them go out, because, hey, their families and friends provide all they need for them. Or, to continue the simile used earlier, telling a trans person they don't need hrt or srs, because they can perfectly well function as is, and should just go calling themselves their preferred gender. (No offense intended to those for whom that might be sufficient).
--- Quote from: ChipNoir on 18 Aug 2017, 05:41 ---That's the problem: Winslow doesn't have an opinion. He has an emotion, and he desperately wanted May to validate something that really is pretty shallow. Winslow doesn't need that body, not really. Hanners provides for him everything he needs. He doesn't have anywhere to go,hence why he went straight for the only two people he actually knows (and not very well). He admits he didn't even think about what to do with that body.
May and Momo have lives they want to lead. Winslow just wanted to have attention on him again after the friends he really wasn't that close to started having their own lives. That in itself is really, really, REALLY miopic and deserving of a smack on the head.
But hey, he's progressing now, so I'm prepared to see where he goes with this. Had the comic gone towards patronizing him and "Oh May's just a jerk" I'd probably have skived off reading the comic for a month.
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You may have missed the point where I included emotions and feelings.
May and Momo have lives to lead. True. Perhaps Winslow is seeking to lead a life for himself as well? His purpose as a companion is taking up very much less of his time, now that Hannelore is out doing exactly that as well.
Well, we can all at least agree that it's a good thing to see Winslow progressing. As snufflebottoms said, he's just still on day one.
Also, I seem to be overusing the word well, as well. Well...
Dal Gurak:
--- Quote from: pwhodges on 18 Aug 2017, 00:51 ---
--- Quote from: Cornelius on 18 Aug 2017, 00:46 ---great to see him motivating wanting to help, not just from May's reaction.
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Hopefully May will have the opportunity to realise that when she's calmed down. Maybe he'll even end up in an AI charity and helping May (and acknowledging her reaction, at that)!
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I have a terrible feeling that, if Winslow does end up trying to help May via charity and the like, she'll go off on him again. Something along the lines of "Oh, so you think you can throw money at me and I have to apologize and [crude sex thing] you, huh? I ain't no charity case you -" and then lots of swearing. While he just stands there confused, upset, awkward and possibly blamed as the one in the wrong once again. Just the visualization of this is making me curl up - I reeeally hope that doesn't happen. I mean, if they end up getting along that would be just lovely, but if I was in his position I would make it a point to stay the heck away from her. Then again I am a huge wimp and conflict is not my friend.
On that note I wanna point something out - I don't hate May. I think she's loads of fun to read, and I really hope she ends up happy, with a body and job she can be proud of. But if someone talked to me the way she talks to people, I'd get the heck outta there and do my level best to avoid that person. Not out of anger, but to avoid future meanness.
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