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WCDT Strips 3546 to 3550 (14th to 18th August 2017)
Case:
--- Quote from: Neko_Ali on 19 Aug 2017, 19:05 ---I was thinking of dead horses and the abuse thereof ...
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Meilu:
--- Quote from: Storel on 19 Aug 2017, 19:01 ---When did he have a chance to? He tells May his news, she bites his head off (not literally), he starts stammering and trying to say something, and she cuts him off after a few words and tells him to go away. He might have been trying to apologize, but we don't know what he was going to say before May interrupted him and refused to let him speak any more.
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Fair enough. But nobody can say he tried to apologize... All we know is he started to say he knows he's fortunate.
--- Quote from: Emperor Norton on 19 Aug 2017, 18:16 ---Flaunt does not mean "to show off". Flaunting implies you are doing it in a way that is an attempt to evoke jealousy. He wanted his friends to be happy that he was joining them as humanoid bodied AIs. And once again: I have said since the beginning that he made a mistake in the way he did it, but somehow you are ignoring that I've said that over and over. That I think that him learning from this is good. But FLAUNTING implies that it was his intent to make her jealous, and it very much was not. His only fault was in not thinking about how him easily getting a new body when May is having such a hard time with hers. His fault was being thoughtless, he was not actively attempting to harm anyone.
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flaunt
verb (used without object)
1. to parade or display oneself conspicuously, defiantly, or boldly.
You're using the word in a different way than I am, apparently. Regardless, I'm using the most common definition of flaunt. It isn't always to evoke jealousy.
--- Quote ---And the absolute, only thing I'm expecting of May is to do the exact thing she wants Winslow to do: Think about how your actions affect others before you act.
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I'm failing to see the similarity in her behavior and his to warrant this reaction. Should we spare the feelings of people who insensitively hurt us because saying something will ruin their good mood, allowing them to continue hurting us?
--- Quote ---You are taking a character who is regularly sarcastic, saying something that sounds incredibly sarcastic, and taking it literally. And you are acting like I'm making up May's regularly rude and insensitive personality from nowhere. This is who she has been since she was introduced. She doesn't think, she steps on people's feelings. And for her to turn around and snap at someone for not taking her feelings into account is... well it is quite hypocritical.
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I take most things literally, so unfortunately I miss sarcasm most times. May is blunt, sometimes insulting, and has impulse control issues which is one of the first things we find out about her (it's also why she went to AI jail in the first place). She's also nicer than you give her credit for... she got Dale and Marigold together and has managed to become friends with most of the cast in some way or another despite her attitude. She's no worse than Faye used to be and is far less awful than Pintsize, but people on the forums are way harsher towards May than Faye or Pintsize. Is it really hypocritical for her to not taking his feelings into account when he disregarded hers? May is who she is. She's unhappy with her lot in life, which hasn't changed in at least two years, probably more with comic time jumps. http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2960
It's fine to not like her, but I still don't think she was out of line, or acting hypocritically.
Method of Madness:
This is getting repetitive. I’m not saying it has to stop, but it doesn’t look like either side is going to be convinced. We’ll probably see where this goes soon.
Gyrre:
--- Quote from: Method of Madness on 19 Aug 2017, 20:16 ---This is getting repetitive. I’m not saying it has to stop, but it doesn’t look like either side is going to be convinced. We’ll probably see where this goes soon.
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Well, there's a new week's thread and a new poll freshly posted.
Larm Hargraven:
This was originally going to be posted in last week's thread, but I wanted to post it where others can see because I think it still pertains to what will probably be this week's comics and isn't really about me picking a "side" here. Sorry in advance is this is annoying to bring up or a problem.
I think the problem that's causing the repetitiveness (in last week's threat) is the perspective everyone has from their own life experiences to a VERY controversial topic and portrayal of it. What with it being about AI's getting humanoid bodies, the analogies of privilege can be substituted with race, sex, transgenderism (not to be confused with transexualism which is also included in this list,) age, financial stability, etc.
What I'll say in my final thoughts is this: Both sides are immature in one way or another.
In Winslow's case: He was immature for coming into May's workplace without first thinking of the situation she's in, unable to afford a working body as her current one is breaking down. His happy and proud demeanor to be accepted and compliments by a friend was taken mistakenly as showing off with malice, which caused May to bite back at him. If things were perfect, he would have entered with a much more subtle approach, finding a more articulate way to explain why he got a new body and expressing that he understands if it bothers her that he showed up, all while not being as energetic as he was. Alternatively he could have waited until she saw him out of work or in a different social setting. Winslow is sheltered to a degree. Very knowledgeable but missing a few social cues and his extreme happiness about his new body and going out to friend's with known problems with their own bodies and not thinking it'd cause a reaction is VERY sheltered thinking. Whether it was because he forgot about May's situation or he outright did not think it was a problem, this is immaturity in a sense. In the future, Winslow definitely should take the time to assess how the people around him will react when bringing forth a change as drastic/controversial as this one. And I mean drastic and controversial in a very neutral term, not a negative one.
In May's case: She was immature for responding the way she did. Her emotions and frustrations, while valid, were not properly coped with nor handled well. Sarcasm and rudeness does not get anyone anywhere, even if it feels cathartic to release it on the person who made you feel mad. May should have expressed that while, hey that's great for Winslow to have gotten his own body, he shouldn't have been so excitable about it to her as she was feeling malaise and sadness about her breaking body. She could have easily stated that she was angry in a clear and direct manner, rather than be quick to react with words that did not explicitly express her frustration. On that, she shows immaturity when speaking with Momo as she continues to let her anger direct her words and behavior by being facetious about living with Hannelore while using terms as "little fuck" and "dick" to describe him and his personality. Again, she could have expressed she was mad about his situation and instead used the time she was away from work to use coping skills to bring herself down from her anger until she could properly explain why she felt mad without resorting to derogatory terms and insults.
Are both sides in the wrong? Yes. Are they forever monsters? No. Should they both apologize in some degree? I think so. Do other people think they should? It appears not everyone, which is understandable as forgiving someone is not always easy and apologizing is hard when your mind is clouded by emotions or if you're unaware of what you did.
Finally, let's remember that maturity, respect, and calm attitudes can be a tough thing to learn as they all are choices that have to be actively made everytime a situation presents itself for them to be challenged. No one can be that way all the time 24/7, everyone has a breaking point. But we should always strive to work towards that with active listening and thinking, whether you are the perceived instigator or victim. This comes from the world of mental health recovery, but can and should be applied to most all other aspects of life. A topic like this does not have a clear and readable right or wrong, it's very grey and I think we all need to remember that.
I moved this to last week's thread from the newer one because this argument really doesn't need to continue into the new thread, at least not until an actual comic is seen and there's more to go on. -Method
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