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Relationships You Wanna See More Of
Aenno:
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--- Quote from: Jeemy on 26 Jan 2018, 11:09 ---I'd just simply suggest; keep internet world-wide discussion separate from real-world experience. Use your judgement to handle the transition(?)
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The forum is part of the Internet; you have real-life experience (and so does every other member of the forum, but it's different from yours). I would respectfully suggest that the forum cannot separate itself from the individual experiences of every one of its members - it's the job of the individual to use their judgement and show respect when interacting with the forum.
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This.
Indeed, the US is in no way homogeneous even on very small scales. My home county in the state of Washington is also bigger than Delaware -- and it is quite culturally diverse from west to east: west is urban and suburban Seattle; east is very rural. West is quite liberal; east quite conservative.
Even locally, we're pretty diverse: there are >20 language spoken by students in the nearby high school, all of whom live within ~2 mi of here.
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Don't really get your points. I am trying to say to you that I *do try* to understand this stuff, but I categorically don't know anybody outwith my whatever-it-is. I live in a real-life cul-de-sac. Maybe I am in the minority! But I read QC because its an eye-opener to a very different culture and way of life. Which I guess you guys just take for granted....
The statistics themselves are very interesting. In another thread somebody mentioned 6.5% non-heterosexual relationships, I looked up some studies and it was more like 19%.
I *still* won't meet these people in real life. Not in Scotland, not in my little village, not through my family groupings, not to the order of 1.5, 6.5, or 19.5 per cent. Just won't happen. Not cause I don't want it to, more cause my life is centred around my kids. I am vaguely aware (and bemused) that my 5-year-old has a trans friend but its not my business to ask or enquire, and I don't know which friend it is - it makes no difference to me as long as the little people are happy and fed.
Again, if I am not showing respect, please educate me as to how. I am trying to discuss and understand these issues, based on what I assume is fairly light debate around an entertainment topic, but I don't think either my comment or pwhodges comment above re separation, on a re-read, make much sense; I guess I was saying its different in RL percentage-wise to what it is when we all come together on a forum from all parts of the globe, but I am not sure if pwh was saying I am not showing respect, or showing disrespect?
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Sorry if I'm start to bother, but let me tell you a story.
(click to show/hide)I'm living in Russia. Russia decriminalized voluntary male homosexual acts in 1993, and even now the slur word for homosexual male have second meaning "a man whose behaviour is socially non-appropriable" (so jokes like "Hey, do you hear Ivan is a ***? What, you're asking did he borrowed money and didn't return them? Oh no, I meant he is *** in good meaning!" exists and quite popular).
That's because before 1991 we had USSR, and USSR had it's way to create some kind of united culture, where all things that was derived from standard was defined as "unacceptable" and shunned. Actually quite often they even were declared as "foreign cultural attack", like "today you're playing jazz, and tomorrow you'll sell Motherland". So every thing that going beyond mainstream was activelly shunned and actually non-safe for your well-being. Just to remind that USSR also hadn't private enterprise, and mobility between cities, especially to big cities, was limited by state regulation. Our economy was build on privilegies - good workers got not only bonus to salary, but priviliged access to stores with better supply, special place in queue to buy a car or get a flat, tickets to big cities and resorts, sometimes even foreign tickets; you could lost it all just because local party official believed you're not "good soviet person".
So you've never see transpersons, LGBT, roleplayers (not as kinky stuff, but, I mean, LARPG or table-top RPGs), rockers, marijuana smokers or punks around (and yeah, it was actually the same boat). You just didn't. Hell, USSR woman told on telebridge with USA, that "There is no sex in USSR!", and it was 1986.
But of course, all of them (us) was here. USSR hadn't exact distinct subcultures western countries did - we had very big corpus of officialy correct subcultures, and... well, the best things we had there was people like Visbor, and you must understand that "Solnishko Lesnoe" was written two years after "Space Oddity" (you can try Visbor on YouTube, I believe you will understand); and we had all kinds of informal subcultures who hide from official sight and was kinda united. If you found to a flat (and actually it was jargonism for such place, "flat", "флэт") where marijuana smokers lived, you could bet with very good chance you found ALSO place where people who know the most about punk, glam, rock music resides, where LGBT people resides, where western literature discussed, all that things. The same place was a place where local younger artists resides.
And people who wasn't integrated into some kind of network of this cells (this network hillariously was called System) or had professional relations with this kind of people (like local cops) never knew anything about it, and actually believed that "modern western music" is a collective called "Bugs" or something like that, and it's non-melodic shouting.
I told all of this because it teaches one simple things - if you don't know you met this kind of people in your life, it doesn't means you don't met them. It can still simply means that this people are not so comfortable to declare it beyond quite locked social circle. And in QC we look at exactly this kind of circle.
Thrillho:
--- Quote from: Jeemy on 02 Feb 2018, 17:59 ---I know at least 100 people and not a single gay person. Well, I know two gay guys, through two different social circles, who I only knew through friends 20 years ago!
So yeah I would say the proportions in the comic are too high. In RL, too low, compared to these surveys.
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So based entirely on your completely anecdotal evidence you think there's too much in the comic?
If that's the evidence base we're using, even when you freely admit that the figures contradict your own personal experience, let's tell you about my immediate friendship group.
Me: pansexual
Partner #1: pansexual and genderqueer
Partner #2: pansexual and agender
Their best friend: cis bisexual
My best friend: cis bisexual
My other best friend: cis bisexual
Other friends of theirs: A cis-het male who has experimented with homosexuality, a gay cis guy, a bisexual cis female...
Our mutual friend and co-worker: cis-het but doesn't rule out any gender permanently, in a poly marital relationship also
Something you'd notice if you spoke to more queer people on a regular basis is that they can tend to cluster in groups, because the life experience is often so different that cis-het people simply don't understand that day-to-day existence enough to even be able to make small talk with.
But at the very least, my anecdotal evidence cancels yours out really.
snufflebottoms:
Also, Marigold and Dale are cis-het.
And we asked for more of them and we got more of them and now the comic forums are mad about what we got of them lol.
JoeCovenant:
--- Quote from: snufflebottoms on 22 Feb 2018, 11:41 ---Also, Marigold and Dale are cis-het.
And we asked for more of them and we got more of them and now the comic forums are mad about what we got of them lol.
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I'm not mad about it...
Just think that if this is resolved with them both going, "No *I* was stupid!" - "No *I* was stupid!"...
It'll be a bit too twee...
Is it cold in here?:
But not unrealistic. I speak from experience.
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