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WCDT Strips 3606 to 3610 (6th - 10th November 2017)

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brasca:
Tilly would probably tell Hannelore that her mother anticipated that and granted one exception for that paradox. 

MrNumbers:

--- Quote from: Milayna on 06 Nov 2017, 12:04 ---RE: gender ratio

I'm reminded of a famous study on classroom participation that found that the dudes in the room thought they were getting drown out when like 30% of the hands called were women. So this comic is approaching a gender ratio that about 97% of all other media/games/stories/etc have, but on the opposite end. And there's some rumbling in the direction of wanting to "balance" the cast out.

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It's one thing I got over very quickly becoming a fan of My Little Pony. I mean, back in 2011, when there wasn't a fanbase yet, before we get into that kettle of fish. I am purely talking about the show itself in isolation here.

I showed it to a very 'woke' friend of mine, to ironically non-ironically use the word, and he got a bit disgruntled; "Why are males presented so poorly?"

"Spike, Big Macintosh, the sea serpent in the first episode is spectacular, Mr Cake, Braeburn, the bison chief" in the first season was my reply. Later, Shining Armor.

And he went "... huh."

We both talked about how unusual it was as a property to see something that was both
1) Well written
2) So predominately female leading cast

That the brain's natural reaction, even when you go into it knowing that, is to revolt and buck against it. We analyzed why it feels so weird and out of place. It's fine. It's fine to dudes. There's more good male characters than bad ones. So why the hell does it feel, weirdly, misandrist, at first exposure? It's because it's such a stark contrast to how male-dominated we kind of take everything else, that in isolation it's fine, it just appears that way in comparison.

I wish it were less uncommon, and public perception hadn't turned so thoroughly against MLP that I could continue to use it as an example. Because it's honestly a huge experience to see the difference between believing gender represntation should be more of a thing in your media, and actually being exposed to it and seeing how subtle and different it really is. It's huge! It's amazingly huge.

BenRG:
Yeah, Tilly is either neuro-atypical or has been seriously behaviourally conditioned. The fact that it is actually to the point where she doesn't react to a threat against her own safety and/or liberty other than to offer to help do it shifts her from a pest to a piteously-broken mess. I could see Hannelore deciding to keep her around just to keep her away from Beatrice to prevent her from suffering further abuse.

Seriously, I could see Tilly calmly sitting through arrest, interrogation, trial and imprisonment, serene in the assurance that, once this is over, she would return to her assignment or do whatever Beatrice told her to do. I'm pretty sure that Hannelore could get her to arrange anything, no matter how illegal and she would do it without a blink, even having the initiative to ensure that legal concerns were dealt with in advance!

Gyrre:

--- Quote from: traroth on 08 Nov 2017, 02:59 ---
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--- Quote from: BenRG on 07 Nov 2017, 23:19 ---Of course, that may be Beatrice's trap: To drive Hannelore into destroying someone who is at your mercy and has no flexibility to do anything other than what they are currently doing!
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I'm not sure to understand what you mean. Do you think Tilly was somehow programmed to be Hannelore's PA? Because where I live, a working contract cannot ask someone to do illegal stuff, so you cannot hire somebody to basically harass someone else. So in fact, Tilly would in that case have other choices.
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You have to remember the likely mindset of people working for Beatrice Chatham. She is a ruthless, amoral and possibly psychopathic figure. People working at ECI probably have to get used to rationalising away doing the most hideously amoral (although not strictly illegal) things on the grounds that 'my superiors told me to do it'. Based on that, Tilly basically has been behaviourally programmed by positive and negative experiences to do precisely what Beatrice tells her to do so, even ignoring empirical fact if it stands in the way of carrying out her assignment. So, she may literally be psychologically incapable of stopping doing what Beatrice has told her to do. That could thus leave her with no choice but to aggravate and continue to aggravate Hannelore and be unable to stop even when it comes down to a choice between that and jail time for harassment.

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It's really far fetched. I don't know anybody willing to go to jail for their employer. We will find out, I guess...

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To quote George Carlin, "You start with the small stuff...."

BenRG:
Given the direction of discussion this week, I've been thinking about this preview panel that Jeph put on his twitter feed:

https://twitter.com/jephjacques/status/927525516327911424

I can't help but wonder what the ever-cheerful Tilly is saying there. Given her apparently complete lack of self preservation instincts, she might be cheerfully and mockingly assuring Bubbles of her total cooperation (after Hannelore tells her to go along quietly) before being frog-marched out of the building.

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