Comic Discussion > QUESTIONABLE CONTENT
WCDT 3616 to 3621 (20th to 24th November 2017)
gopher:
It just gets duller. Maybe the Turkeys can bring some humour.
traroth:
--- Quote from: BenRG on 21 Nov 2017, 23:20 ---I've got to say that Tilly's story and character are both sounding more and more like Jeph has been binge-reading Dilbert strips from the early-2000s. A character with complete lack of understanding of ethics and morality combined with the heavy-handed comedic missing the point is a very Adams style of humour, IMO. All we need at this point is to find out that Tilly's immediate boss has his hair shaped into horn-like points to complete the comparison!
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Let's hope Jeph Jacques will never say Trump is cool...
Gyrre:
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--- Quote from: themacnut on 20 Nov 2017, 14:07 ---Tl,DR version; Clinton didn't know he was being a creep, while Tilly doesn't care.
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I disagree with you there. I think Tilly is also blissfully ignorant of her creepiness.
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That becomes an argument between conscious and subconscious thought/awareness.
Specifically because she was expressly ordered to be oblivious to it by her employer, Beatrice.
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That ... is a logical impossibility. You cannot be blissfully ignorant of something because you've been ordered to be oblivious to it, since you'd have to consciously acknowledge said something in order to follow those orders.
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I have a hard time knowing what to make of this post of yours ...
* Firstly, the term "subconscious awareness" is an oxymoron (*, **) - i.e. this looks like you've tried to support a logically impossible conclusion by adding to it something that is self-contradictory on its face.
* Secondly, editing a quote in the way you did - i.e. retroactively inserting the (violet-coloured) sentence into the original sequence of posts from which it was absent (cf. upthread) - could be interpreted as your trying to suggest that I had overlooked an important part of your argument when I questioned its logical coherence?
Don't want to ascribe any sinister motives to you, but ... do you see how doing this without at least pointing out that the quote was edited could look a little weird?
Look, maybe we should first see whether this isn't simply a semantic problem of confusing the meanings of the verb "to ignore (smth.)" and the adjective "(to be) ignorant (of)" - the former means "to (intentionally) not react to something (that one is aware of)" (***), while the latter means "to be unaware of something" (****), or "to be oblivious to smth.".
Afaics, Tova meant that Tilly might be "blissfully ignorant of her creepiness" (second meaning) when she followed her orders to ignore (first meaning) Hanners' initial attempts at communicating her boundaries.
But it is completely impossible to choose to be ignorant of something, or to follow an order to be ignorant of something - in order to make the choice, or follow the order, you first need to become aware of the something, at which point you are no longer ignorant of it. What we can do is to pretend to others that we are ignorant of something, while in reality we made a conscious choice to ignore it. But this pretence is not a faithful account of reality, and unless we apply some heavy-duty 1984-style doublethink to the problem, at least we ourselves would know it is not.
(*) subconscious [n] - "the totality of mental processes of which the individual is not aware; unreportable mental activities. " (subconscious, www.dictionary.com)
(**) oxymoron [n] - "a figure of speech by which a locution produces an incongruous, seemingly self-contradictory effect, as in “cruel kindness” or “to make haste slowly.”." (oxymoron, www.dictionary.com)
(***) ignore [v] - "to intentionally not listen or give attention to" (ignore, www.dictionary.com)
(****) ignorant [adj] - "not having enough knowledge, understanding, or information about something" ignorant, www.dictionary.com)
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Firstly, the violet text was inserted in the wrong area of the post, hence there being nothing below your statement aside from my signature. That post has been edited.
Secondly, a backslash (/) inserted between two words is often done to represent the word "or". Thusly, the latter portion would be 'subconscious thought' or [poor word choice] 'subconscious awareness'. Not sure if I had meant those in the reverse order as the choice applied to both the words 'conscious' and 'subconscious'. [font size=8]12 hour holiday shifts. yay -_-[/font size]
Now I actually have time to explain what I meant since I'm responding at the start of my break instead of the end of it. (No promises of coherence.) Many people form subconscious filters through which they process information. Usually speaking, these involve an individuals preconceptions and worldview. Things that violate this filter settings are ignored. The least controversial example I can think of would be the 'weirdness censor' trope, sometimes called 'reality blindness'.
Now then, haven't we already had a discussion in the forums about not jumping to conclusions to try to prove one's own mental superiority? Earnest question. I'm tired, so I might be mixed up with a discussion on tumblr a few months back.
ADDENDUM: Looks like the discussion was on tumblr. BTW, I should probably mention that I only read the first few lines of your response, Case. As it read like the sort of post we were discussing.
TinPenguin:
goddamnit hannelore.
maneyan:
Oh for heaven's sake... You were THIS CLOSE Hannelore, THIS CLOSE to having this creepy creeper out of your life. You are not responsible for her corporate career and when she keeps proving time and time again that she has no clue about the boundaries that are so important to you you're only furthering your own misery.
*hyperventilates*
Okay... I'm good... I'm good... just please don't let us have some wacky shenanigans that causes Tilly to magically "earn her place". That'd just be shit...
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