Comic Discussion > QUESTIONABLE CONTENT
WCDT 3616 to 3621 (20th to 24th November 2017)
Zebediah:
--- Quote from: hakko504 on 23 Nov 2017, 03:47 ---My point is that there is no way any law in Europe would allow a single person to be working or on-call 24/7/365 as a salaried employee. There is of course people who own their own businesses, politicians etc. where the line between a private life and a public life is non-existent but that's not the point here. Here, at one point sooner or later, Hannelore would have to tell Tilly, "Go home, your working hours are over for today/this week" etc. Is there such a point in the US?
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It really depends on the position the person is in. It’s possible to classify a position as “overtime exempt”, meaning they really are on the clock 24/7. But that’s usually limited to executive-level positions - my wife is in that kind of position. Her assistant, however, is not, and he works a normal 40-hour week with overtime if more than 40.
And yes, some companies do abuse the “overtime-exempt” classification, classifying employees as exempt when they should not be; I got a nice big check from a former employer a few years ago as part of a class-action settlement about that very thing.
TinPenguin:
--- Quote from: Tova on 23 Nov 2017, 04:14 ---I'm getting the impression that the people who hate Tilly do not actually want her to learn and become a better, more sympathetic person. They'd rather continue to hate her, I guess. Or that she go away. What's up with that? I find it slightly surprising.
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If she were a real person I would encourage her personal growth.
As it is, I despise her as a character and do not want her to be given an excuse to remain in a comic that I otherwise enjoy.
It is somewhat irrational and is providing useful self-psychoanalysis of my own flaws.
However, at this moment my ideal resolution is for Tilly to have a grand personal revelation and subsequently fuck off forever.
Case:
--- Quote from: cucumber error on 22 Nov 2017, 08:22 ---Hmm, interesting. Since Hannelore is *still* saying Taffy, I'd say it's definitely an honest mistake (played for lolz) and not passive-aggression. Wonder how long Miss Birch's resignation will last? This probably isn't the end of the name issue although I'm pretty tired of it personally.
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I think Hanners misnaming Tiffy Tilly (godsfckdmn! :x) is Jeph's reminder to us that as sweet, good-natured and all around loveable a human being as Hanners is, she is also her mother's daughter.
In think Hanners in "Beatrice-mode" is still generally a rather good person who wants only the best for everybody, but a rather high-powered good person who has decided that People are Being Silly and Something Needs to be Done About ItTM. And due to their Being Silly, soliciting feedback from them ain't too high on the current list of priorities.
Gyrre:
--- Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 22 Nov 2017, 19:31 ---
--- Quote from: Case on 22 Nov 2017, 18:39 ---
--- Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 22 Nov 2017, 18:01 ---If it's a blindly obedient organization she'd be able to steer it.
If the evil is baked in at the fourth-monkey level and is the default mode when the CEO isn't actively looking at you, she might fail.
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Googling "fourth-monkey level" produced an acting company and a horror-novel, neither of which sounds right, so ... some halp? :oops:
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It's a thought experiment to illustrate how corporate cultures form.
Put four monkeys in a cage, lower a bunch of bananas from the ceiling, and spray them with a fire hose of ice water as soon as they reach for it. Quickly they learn not to reach for the bananas.
Now, remove one of the original four monkeys and put in a new one who's never seen this experiment before. Lower the bananas. The new monkey will reach for them. The other three will beat the crap out of him to prevent the fire hose of ice water from happening again. In short order the newbie gets the idea.
Now take another of the original four away and introduce a second new monkey. It will reach for the bananas. The two veterans and the previous new monkey pile on and beat the crap out of it.
Keep going and you wind up with four monkeys who've never been sprayed with a fire hose of ice water but who will not reach for bananas or tolerate those who do. If they could talk, they'd probably say "That's just not the way we do things around here".
ECI might be full of people like those monkeys. If Hannelore lowered a bunch of socially virtuous projects from the ceiling they might refuse to touch them and beat the crap out of her.
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Allegedly there's an actual behavioral experiment among those lines involving access to a platform of fruit with only one ladder.
The story goes that there were initially 4 ladders and all the monkeys could access the platform. 3 ladders were removed. Once some preset number of monkeys were on the platform, any attempting to climb the ladder were hosed. Any new monkeys that tried to climb the ladder were pulled from it by the other monkeys and then beaten. Regardless of whether the new monkeys had been introduced or were the offspring of the grounded monkeys.
This alleged experiment was argued to demonstrate why some members of the older generations in impoverished neighborhoods might discourage the younger generation from trying to have a better life.
EDIT: fixed omitted word typo.
Gyrre:
--- Quote from: BenRG on 23 Nov 2017, 01:32 ---At least here in the UK, you can have 'on call' jobs where you are required by contract to be available out-of-hours. They're most common in the medical and social care industries.
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We've got that on this side of the pond as well. Railroad enigineers, conductors, and breakmen are also all on-call jobs. As is crew transport for the various railroad companies.
I did crew transport for nearly 4 years. Driving from Emporia, KS to Newton, KS in order to shadow a train from Newton to Superior, NE and back is the longest trip I've done. Depending on rail traffic, it can be a 15 hour trip. Half of the times I did that I had to call in a relief driver to take over so I didn't go over the max trip time of 15 hours. I've also gotten to drive from Emporia to Arkansas City, KS to Kansas City, KS to Wichita and back to KC before heading to Cassoday, KS and finally back to Emporia.
EDIT: I should probably mention that the railroaders and crew transport have a mandatory rest period after being at work for so many hours. For the company i worked for, we could remain available for trips up to 10 hours after the starting time of the first trip we got. If we only had a short trip of 2 hours, we could potentially be called 8 hours later, but only if dispatch was desperate.
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