Comic Discussion > QUESTIONABLE CONTENT
WCDT 3621 to 3625 (27th November to 1st December 2017)
Case:
--- Quote from: OldGoat on 02 Dec 2017, 10:09 ---In re Pronouns - "They" in its various forms is too useful as a plural to dilute by using it as a singular. I've been using as a neuter singular it in writing for 30 years and still find it awkward. English needs a new neuter singular pronoun. So, why not nominate one?
Strips like QC really are on the bleeding edge of change as far as how language is used.
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--- Quote ---The singular they had emerged by the 14th century and is common in everyday spoken English, but its use has been the target of criticism since the late 19th century. Its use in formal English has increased with the trend toward gender-inclusive language.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they
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Bleeding softly, that edge ...
--- Quote from: OldGoat on 02 Dec 2017, 10:05 ---
--- Quote from: shanejayell on 02 Dec 2017, 08:43 ---Tilly is growing on me, at least. :-D
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Yeah, like ringworm.
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Or fungus.
bhtooefr:
--- Quote from: Case on 02 Dec 2017, 11:35 ---Bleeding softly, that edge ...
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If I read OldGoat's post correctly, they're not saying that singular they is on the cutting edge, but rather that Questionable Content is on the cutting edge (but it's more than just that, QC isn't on the cutting edge, it's slightly behind it, and therefore has more mainstream exposure) and could maybe be used to push a neologism or a loanword for a gender neutral pronoun.
Gyrre:
--- Quote from: Welu on 02 Dec 2017, 09:58 ---The difference with the most of the examples people have given in response to my post is that the context is, "I'm calling you what you're not to insult you." Which is shitty for multiple reasons in itself. They're also specifically nouns and name calling.
Some people have mentioned what are genuine errors that happen with frequency due to societal assumptions. Which again are sucky.
The specific instance I was replying to:
--- Quote from: tiercel on 01 Dec 2017, 03:02 ---You know what does not make me want to be gracious about respecting someone’s wishes when it comes to personal pronouns?
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And generally when trans and nonbinary people are misgendered, specifically with pronoun use, is the implication that, "I'm calling you what I think you actually are and to call you what you want is at best a misguided courtesy (which I will only do if I feel like it) and at worst is indulging a delusion."
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Pronoun use specifically, no. But, I had a year and a half where I was cat-called by a bunch of idiots in a truck every other time I walked to work. At some point one of them must have finally spotted my beard (I don't have a mustache due to psoriasis) because the last time they shouted anything at me as they passed was "Fuckn' trap!" Pretty sure I've mentioned this before.
Stoutfellow:
In the general area of modes of address and reference: is anyone else bothered by Tilly's referring to "Miss" Ellicott-Chatham?
TheEvilDog:
--- Quote from: Stoutfellow on 02 Dec 2017, 19:13 ---In the general area of modes of address and reference: is anyone else bothered by Tilly's referring to "Miss" Ellicott-Chatham?
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No, but then again in the context of the situation, "Miss" is an honorific to use if one is not already used, such as "Doctor" or "Dame". And it is short for "Mistress", traditionally a term used for an employer or for all women in general, while "Ms." inferred that a lady was unmarried.
Traditionally in the States, you would use "Miss" to address a woman under the age of 30 and with whom you weren't particularly familiar with. Not to mention that in business "Miss" would have the same connotation as it would with "Mr.", largely due to neither being marital specific.
So Tilly is using a term that is usually respectful towards an employer, if Hanners found offence, she would have told Tilly. As Tilly hasn't been corrected (yet), we can infer that Hanners doesn't mind being called "Miss"
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