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WCDT Strips 3626 to 3630 (4th to 8th December 2017)
Absimilliard:
I've been a fan and avid reader for years, and I've just now created a profile so I could vote "1". They're just plain annoying and should only be used for Hanners to get a win over her mother. What potensial they have is mostly also present in other better, characters, with the exception of the "them"-pronouns factor, which I'd like to se introduced with a more likeable character (maybe even an existing one, I'm always glad to see (well written) character development).
WoaLG:
--- Quote from: Absimilliard on 08 Dec 2017, 04:09 ---I've been a fan and avid reader for years, and I've just now created a profile so I could vote "1". They're just plain annoying and should only be used for Hanners to get a win over her mother. What potensial they have is mostly also present in other better, characters, with the exception of the "them"-pronouns factor, which I'd like to se introduced with a more likeable character (maybe even an existing one, I'm always glad to see (well written) character development).
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Welcome new person! (Heh, I beat "Is it cold in here?". I'm so bored at work tonight.)
I didn't really think about this until I read your post, but it occurs to me that it might actually be a good thing that the first (confirmed) non-binary character isn't perfect. I felt like Jeph was too cautious when he outed Claire. It felt (to me) that he was concerned that if she wasn't perfect or close to it people would claim that he was doing somehow implying that minorities were not as "good" as non-trans people.
It's not as common now, but it used to be fairly common with female or non-white protagonists to make them super awesome just so that nobody would claim that they weren't as good as the white/male characters, but they swung it too far in the other direction. I've seen a few examples with lgbt characters too, but not as many. (In general, not specifically in QC)
So I don't like Tilly, but I'm happy that Jeph isn't being as cautious with them as he was with Claire. It makes Tilly feel more 3d.
I hope I made sense and this isn't all 4am ramblings of a sleep deprived moron. :p
traroth:
Here in France, we are way ahead of you :D
This 1963 movie had a gay bad guy, wielding a machine gun and illegally distilling booze : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Tontons_flingueurs
(Honestly, in those days, I think the character was gay only to make him look even more bad. He was also german, which in 1963 in France, made someone look really really bad...)
swapna:
Oh dear, Winslow and Tilly together, I don't know how Hannelore copes with the two of the most annoying characters in QC right now. The only way this could get worse is if they invite Claire.
--- Quote from: WoaLG on 08 Dec 2017, 04:29 --- (click to show/hide)
--- Quote from: Absimilliard on 08 Dec 2017, 04:09 ---I've been a fan and avid reader for years, and I've just now created a profile so I could vote "1". They're just plain annoying and should only be used for Hanners to get a win over her mother. What potensial they have is mostly also present in other better, characters, with the exception of the "them"-pronouns factor, which I'd like to se introduced with a more likeable character (maybe even an existing one, I'm always glad to see (well written) character development).
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Welcome new person! (Heh, I beat "Is it cold in here?". I'm so bored at work tonight.)
I didn't really think about this until I read your post, but it occurs to me that it might actually be a good thing that the first (confirmed) non-binary character isn't perfect. I felt like Jeph was too cautious when he outed Claire. It felt (to me) that he was concerned that if she wasn't perfect or close to it people would claim that he was doing somehow implying that minorities were not as "good" as non-trans people.
It's not as common now, but it used to be fairly common with female or non-white protagonists to make them super awesome just so that nobody would claim that they weren't as good as the white/male characters, but they swung it too far in the other direction. I've seen a few examples with lgbt characters too, but not as many. (In general, not specifically in QC)
So I don't like Tilly, but I'm happy that Jeph isn't being as cautious with them as he was with Claire. It makes Tilly feel more 3d.
I hope I made sense and this isn't all 4am ramblings of a sleep deprived moron. :p
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I agree with Absimillard in regards to Tilly - they're superfluous and annoying, and add nothing to the plot. Their introduction as Beatrice's minion seemed (at first) to give us a look into Chatham enterprises and Hanners' relationship with it all, but now it just seems like an excuse to introduce Tilly and make sure they stick.
As for non-perfect characters - I understand that, and I think you're right that Jeph was over-cautious with Claire (not the character, but the MartenClaire romance). I think with Tilly it had the opposite direction, as far as I've observed; people were a lot more willing to insult them or call them Taffy or something else (or tolerate it) when their pronouns weren't known. People started to defend them/insists on proper pronoun use precisely because now, they could empathise with Tilly.
Nepiophage:
--- Quote from: Gyrre on 07 Dec 2017, 21:34 ---And, let's be honest, a quick read of the red part of the Christian Bible would indicate that there should be quotation marks around the word; extreme conservative "christians".
There's a lot of tenets being ignored there. Some quick examples:
Matthew 7:1-5
Romans 12:18
Galatians 3:28
For those curious, I'd recommend The Complete Jewish Bible translation as it's translated directly from Greek to Modern English (it's meant for both Messianic Jewish and Christian services).
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The most popular part seems to be Luke 19:26-27; which says
For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him. But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
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