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WCDT Strips 3631 to 3635 (11th to 15th December 2017
TheEvilDog:
--- Quote from: cesium133 on 15 Dec 2017, 08:20 ---So, wait, the prestigious position for his child is to be a servant for her child? If that's the case, it sounds like Beatrice already has Tilly's father where she wants him.
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There's an ancient practice known as fosterage, where the child of one person would be fostered for a time by another person. Now, it was different to the modern concept of fostering, in that it was about creating lifelong connections within the community and as a form of child-rearing and education. A close family friend would take on the child, teach them and help raise them for a time. In return, the child would look after the foster parent in their old age, as well as payment from the biological family.
I'm not saying Beatrice or Tilly's father are community minded, but the principle is the same. Its about creating links between one community and another. By having Tilly as a PA to Hanners, Tilly is getting an "in" with the Ellicot-Chatham Group, they're also gaining experience in business and making themselves noticed by Beatrice.
jwhouk:
--- Quote from: TinPenguin on 15 Dec 2017, 05:58 ---
--- Quote from: mercykills on 15 Dec 2017, 01:24 ---Because of COURSE Hannelore couldn't speak to her mother WITHOUT Tilly
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I'd happily never see Tilly again and have this be a simple Hannelore vs. Beatrice confrontation. However, Hannelore is a much nicer person than me. This involves Tilly, and so she is keeping Tilly involved. They are both being manipulated by their respective (ha!) parents and both deserve to respond to that. My chief fear is that this arc concludes in the pair of them telling said parents to piss off and stop using them as pawns in their petty power plays, and then high-fiving into the sunset together.
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...and what would be wrong with that?
Bad Superman:
--- Quote from: Case on 15 Dec 2017, 07:45 ---
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--- Quote from: Bad Superman on 15 Dec 2017, 02:38 ---Everything that happened between 3606 and 3635 was useless filler. It didn’t help moving the plot along one bit! And don’t tell me "It’s for character development." or "It’s for getting to know Tilly." No. Character development happens during plot, not apart from it. And also, we didn’t really learn anything important we didn’t already know after the first two or three strips involving Tilly, now did we?
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It's for character development - Hanners', for example.
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Could you elaborate on that?
In what way did Hannelore make an important step of growth or change, that could not have been shown during a trip to and a confrontation with her mother when I move the goalposts like so?
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Dunno man - Allosaurs?
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Hm...
The first thing I said was, that 3606 to 3635 are a waste of space, more or less. Those strips did not drive any kind of interesting plot. We just see rather ordinary QC-stuff happening, characters randomly interacting with the newbie, and so on. Then I said 'character development' or 'getting to know Tilly' are excuses one could make, and pointed out why I find those excuses lacking. I literally wrote "character development happens during plot, not apart from it", so I did not even rule out that growth in some characters might have happened, did I? My point was, that any growth of character, or any knowledge gained by the reader, from 3606 to 3635, happened in a plot-vacuum, that could have been filled in many many more interesting/exiting/engaging ways.
It's the half of my question you crossed out (and accused me of moving the goalpost) that really is the important part.
So, I rephrase my question:
Let's suppose Hannelore and Tilly both went through some kind of development, or that we learned important stuff about them, between strip 3606 and 3635. Let's just take that as a given. Could this exact same development/growth/gain of knowledge not have been achieved in a more interesting/exiting/engaging way?
For example: What about a quick road trip to Beatrice, where we see Hannelore and Tilly (and Marten and Claire too, if you want) gradually warming up to each other? H and T have their problems and anxieties, those could have been good bridge for the two of them to build a connection. They have so much in common. Why not have two heirs of supposedly super-powerful corporation empires talk about the stuff they had to deal with in the past. Their parents, the seemingly crazy rules they had to adhere to... Or, why not have them deal with typical road-trippy-problems?
Instead, the opportunity was wasted with creepy stalker kid, who spends their time with not one, but two spider battles, a presentation dance, and a pun-off with Claire. Riveting stuff...
Tilly's introduction could have been handled so much better, they would have come across so much warmer. It's just sad.
TinPenguin:
--- Quote from: jwhouk on 15 Dec 2017, 08:55 ---
--- Quote from: TinPenguin on 15 Dec 2017, 05:58 ---
--- Quote from: mercykills on 15 Dec 2017, 01:24 ---Because of COURSE Hannelore couldn't speak to her mother WITHOUT Tilly
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I'd happily never see Tilly again and have this be a simple Hannelore vs. Beatrice confrontation. However, Hannelore is a much nicer person than me. This involves Tilly, and so she is keeping Tilly involved. They are both being manipulated by their respective (ha!) parents and both deserve to respond to that. My chief fear is that this arc concludes in the pair of them telling said parents to piss off and stop using them as pawns in their petty power plays, and then high-fiving into the sunset together.
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...and what would be wrong with that?
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I phrased it poorly. The first part is fine. Desirable, even. The second part is where emotional bonding causes Hannelore to keep Tilly around after all, which doesn't make the whole thing pointless in the slightest.
snufflebottoms:
Because Tilly is a crappy character.
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