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WCDT Strips 3636 to 3640 (18th to 22nd December 2017)
Prestwick:
--- Quote from: OldGoat on 21 Dec 2017, 06:03 ---Would Beatrice actually follow through with ruining a plebeian? All of Hannelore's Northampton friends are otherwise below her notice. She had to be damn near on-her-lips drunk with her mountain of inhibitions dissolved in ethanol to even joke about doing it. Beatrice is silent because she's having flashbacks to the emotional abuse she suffered at the hands of her own mother. Child abusers were almost always themselves abused and it takes confrontation and conscious effort to break the cycle. Perhaps this will segue to Bea's backstory.
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This I agree with. People could bring that up as an example of Beatrice's general cruelty but not of her ability to or likelihood of deliberately cause serious harm to Hannelore or her Northampton set of friends.
What Beatrice is guilty of is of emotional abuse and abuse through neglect and I agree that could be Beatrice having a eureka moment of some kind after being made by her own daughter to dip her face in her own vomit and look in the mirror...figuratively speaking of course.
But what I really do not see happening is some kind of Enemy of the State schenanigans or grand threatening gestures more fitting of Ernst Stavro Bloefeld than of Steve Jobs going on because Hannelore said no to her mother.
Thrudd:
Okay - This discussion has gotten me to actually read the weeks strip one day early despite the continued presence of Tilly.
Yeeeup - the observations about logic being thrown out the window on how easily Hanners had access to her mom holds true.
I can chalk that up to artistic license for dramatic story flow
:psyduck: I can't see Hanners crying on anyone's shoulder. Ever! :psyduck:
She even went out of her way to turn towards Tilly instead of just doing the drop and bawl.
I am sorry but it is just so out of character for Hanners.
All I can see is a ham handed attempt to keep Tilly relevant and that is really irksome and annoying.
That artistic license is now under suspension and is under review for possible revocation.
Logically I could see Hanners drop to her knees between panels 3 and 4 as dramatic effect to show just how devastated and vulnerable she is.
Having Tilly standing behind her unable to effectively console her [because Tilly knows no touchie by now, right? right?] and that would have been true to both characters as we know them up till now.
This is JarJar all over again.
I hope we don't end up with an on the fly rewrite and end up with a Dooku and ongoing JarJar antics while Darth Maul lies bisected at the bottom of a power shaft :facepalm:
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JoeCovenant:
--- Quote from: Tova on 21 Dec 2017, 03:02 ---Okay, so I have a genuine question for those who expected more from Beatrice.
What did you expect Beatrice to say in this situation?
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To be honest, pretty much ANYTHING... other than nothing.
Even just "Who do you think you are talking to, Missy!?" would have been better than the blank stare.
Parents don't usually let their children away with the kind of rant Hanners threw at her, without a word of response, no matter what their age.
JoeCovenant:
There are so many ways things could go from here.
Here's a couple I'd hate to see...
Tilly storming back into the office to shout at Beatrice. "She's your DAUGHTER!!..... Ma'am!"
Hanners having some kind of bonding session with Tilly over this. (No logic I can think of would canonically justify such a thing.)
Basically, anything which keeps Tilly in the strip's focus after tomorrow...
I do feel for Jeph here.
Tilly is clearly his flavour of the month, but the whole build up about the *cutie* has just drastically failed, with a major majority disagreeing on his opinion, with what he clearly feels is a compelling and worthy character.
(The 'Jar-Jar' comparison has been raised already, and others have raised the very cogent point that far more interesting and worthy characters have been left in the cold for a LONG time, or simply vanished without a word.)
But then, the dilemma of the artist is do they stay true to their vision, or do they go with "what sells".
Integrity would say one thing. Human nature would say another...
Yeah... I don't envy Mr Jacques right now...
Eyes_of_Heaven:
I'm not really understanding the Tilly hate as of late. I mean, sure, she definitely has that "Came out of nowhere" thing going on, but I'm honestly thinking a lot of the resentment going on towards her right now is grossly out of proportion, or being done because everyone else is.
Is she the perfect character for this or any arc? At the moment, no. But we're not giving her a chance to really be able to have any kind of development, or learn anymore about what made her the way she is.
I've seen several cases of the "Always wanting to help" mindset in some people, and what I usually end up finding out is that these people have been in multiple situations where friends and family have been abundantly over-critical of everything they do, or constantly put down any efforts on their part of trying to help. I've heard cases of lectures or verbal abuse over things as small as putting the bow on a present in a "Incorrect" spot, or them being belittled because they didn't do a extremely specific thing that they were never told but "Should have just known".
This builds a self destructive personality of "It was my fault. I should be a better person and think of others more than myself". The end result is that they over-extend in trying to be useful to others, not just because they want to help, but because of some subconscious desire for SOMEONE to look at what they did and say "Good job" instead of pointing out another very minor flaw. Maybe the same case is happening to Tilly? She even said that she believes that "A task should be done right, no matter how quixotic is may be". Quixotic meaning exceedingly idealistic, unrealistic, or impractical. She even takes the suggestion of being used as "Corporate Espionage" with a mindset of "I can't do that! Not because it's wrong, but because it's just a coffee shop!".
Most people would accept that they'll make mistakes, and sometimes certain things isn't worth the absurd amount of effort that would need to be put forth. Tilly however may have been raised on a self destructive "Do it all right, or it's wrong." mindset. In a practical sense, such as for a business, it's perfect. They're constantly seeking to improve and never take mistakes lightly. In a mental or emotional sense? You get someone breaking down over realizing they've been a inconvenience: http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3617
What I'm trying to say is: Give her a break. Give Jeff a chance to actually develop her character before screaming about putting her on the noose. There's been plenty of other characters that have been introduced to the comic, everybody screaming for their blood, and then us realizing "Huh, they're not so bad after all".
Just... Let her learn to chill, and be a person instead of "Something to be used", alright?
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