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WCDT Strips 3661-3665 (22nd to 26th January 2018)
Cornelius:
It might be that what I understand is different from what were talking about here, but that structure, interesting as it is, is narrative, but not drama to me, necessarily.
Plot and narrative without conflict are easy enough to imagine. Calling it drama, to me, does imply a certain kind of narrative, a certain genre, really.
TheEvilDog:
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--- Quote from: Shjade on 26 Jan 2018, 01:14 ---...And no, good drama doesn't require a conflict.
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As Joe sniped me to saying... well, yes? Yes it does?
You're right that it doesn't need a villain to cause it, but... every story, period, requires conflict.
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http://www.thewriteturn.com/kishotenketsu-the-four-act-narrative-or-the-plot-without-conflict/
"All drama needs conflict" is common knowledge. In western/european schools. That doesn't make it universal truth any more than any other euro-centric "truths" about civilization, social norms, etc.
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What is conflict?
It is the opposition to the completion of a goal.
A character wants to be happy? What stands in the way of that goal?
Conflict is the process by which character development occurs, where a character has to reflect on their past and their actions in order to move forward. But more importantly, one can not separate the story from the conflict and vice versa, the fact is, they are mutually inclusive. Without conflict, there is no story to tell.
William Faulkner once wrote that the "Only thing worth writing about is the human heart in conflict with itself."
To put it another way, a story without conflict is like food without flavour, as that article puts it.
Shjade:
You're free to not like different styles of story.
That doesn't mean your preferred style is the only valid one.
TheEvilDog:
Never said it was.
You are the one who seems to have a particular bugbear about the topic.
Emperor Norton:
It should be pointed out that even in stories based on the Kishotenketsu structure, conflict is often present. Just because the structure is not based around conflict like in the three-act western structure, does not mean that conflict is nonexistent in the stories.
To be honest, human existence without conflict rarely exists. Managing to write something with literally no conflict would be difficult, just because it would be so foreign to the human experience.
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