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WCDT Strips 3661-3665 (22nd to 26th January 2018)
Cornelius:
I'll reiterate that I think it's important to distinguish between narrative structure, and genre. There is not always a one to one relationship between the two.
Personally, I have written a few things that do not have any conflict in them, and that might fit the suggested pattern. However, I never would have called it drama. Even though it's in prose format, I consider it very much closer to poetry.
And as such, drama is a genre in itself. It can take the form of kishotenketsu, even, according to the cited article. But central to the drama is the action - from which the name itself derives, in old Greek - the conflict.
Now, just as a reaction to MrNumbers's post that every story needs conflict, I can agree. But genres are what they are. And it's fine, and wonderful that not everything is in the same genre, but let's just celebrate the diversity, rather than make sweeping statements.
It's true that the literary canon has been a little one sided - many of the comment's on Bloom's magnum opus are certainly justified. And we should include non-European art. But we should, in my opinion, recognise it in its own genres and categories. There are some categories that are probably common to both European and non-European; especially on the higher levels of the taxonomy.
Shjade:
--- Quote from: MrNumbers on 27 Jan 2018, 07:23 ---But instead you kind of... insinuated prejudice on my behalf. And that's kind of not cool?
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You declared all stories - not even just dramas, but all stories, "every story, period" - require conflict, and think it's not cool if I point out that fairly narrow school of thought on story structure isn't a universal truth?
Okay.
Edit: I initially refrained as I was worried I might let a little bit too much of my honest response to that post shine through if I wrote it too hastily, but after taking a moment to settle, I'll add something a little closer to that mood: You know what's not cool? Tone-policing. Especially when it's done in the same breath as admitting ignorance of something you'd previously spoken of as if you had some kind of (unearned) authority on the topic.
I can't say you've presented a case for me to care about having a "cool, good interaction" with you when that's how you respond to "a fair criticism."
Is it cold in here?:
Global Moderator Comment Tone policing is the only way the moderators have found to reconcile the owner's disgust with flame wars with our commitment to being inclusive of a wide variety of people. Being cool and civil is expected in this tiny corner of the Internet even under provocation.
pwhodges:
I am also aware of strong criticism of tone policing in some quarters (it's been directed against me personally on another forum, together, to be fair, with links to thoughtful arguments on the matter); however, I feel that it is appropriate here, and I am not fully convinced by the arguments against it in other places either.
Case:
--- Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 28 Jan 2018, 05:58 ---Tone policing is the only way the moderators have found to reconcile the owner's disgust with flame wars with our commitment to being inclusive of a wide variety of people. Being cool and civil is expected in this tiny corner of the Internet even under provocation.
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--- Quote from: pwhodges on 28 Jan 2018, 06:33 ---I am also aware of strong criticism of tone policing in some quarters (it's been directed against me personally on another forum, together, to be fair, with links to thoughtful arguments on the matter); however, I feel that it is appropriate here, and I am not fully convinced by the arguments against it in other places either.
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What had to be good enough for Valdis and TIR is certainly good enough for me.
Edit: Speaking of which:
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--- Quote from: Emperor Norton on 26 Jan 2018, 13:20 ---Fair enough. I've been a bit prickly the last few days, just not doing well (I have caught what I refer to as "The Malaise", which is just that feeling of not enjoying anything and feeling listless and vaguely bad for no reason). I apologize if I come off as more critical or nasty than intended :)
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I don't think you have anything to apologize for <snip>
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On second thought, make that: I don't think you have anything to apologize for, and if you do, I'm guilty of it to at least the same degree, if not more. Sorry for that. I didn't find a better way to communicate what I wanted to say upthread. Maybe should have tried harder.
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