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WCDT strips 3706-3710 (26th to 30th March 2018)
ckridge:
I presume that those times that absolutely everyone seems unreasonably irritable are times I am blundering across boundaries or otherwise acting like a dick. I would like to think I do this as entertainingly as people in stories, but it doesn't seem likely.
I like Renee a lot. She tells Elliot right out that she finds him attractive and when he is completely unmoved, sucks it right up. Elliot and Bubbles should both take lessons from her.
snufflebottoms:
--- Quote from: ckridge on 30 Mar 2018, 17:07 ---It is true that we don't have backstory on either of the ones I am calling unwounded.
Renee's a yenta, is all: pushy, busybodied, gossiping, in everyone's business all the time, and the first person to call if you are in a jam. I have a theory that she is hated, not because she crashes across boundaries, but because she is female, unwounded, capable, and crashes across boundaries. Angus dancing triumphantly in nothing but a purple condom outside Faye's door in Marten's own apartment, when Marten has lusted in vain after Faye, passes unnoticed because Angus is a guy. Hannelore walking in and out of Faye's and Marten's apartment at will passes unnoticed because Hannelore is wounded. Faye punching and saying mean things is unnoticed because Faye is wounded. Renee acting like everyone else while unwounded and female produces sudden shock that boundaries are being crossed. It is not like she is big and dangerous like Elliot or Bubbles. She is capable, is all. Capable women aren't dangerous, they are just capable. It is unjust and unfair to condemn them for acting like everyone else. You don't have to like them, but that doesn't mean they are any worse than the next person.
I don't think that the crashing across boundaries is incidental or trivial either. Someone upthread points out correctly that much of the comedy in the strip runs off people crashing through boundaries, but that's not its only function. One of the strip's concerns is how you act when you live where all different kinds of people mix together. No one's village mores apply, because no one is in their home village anymore, and none of the village mores were designed for situations like these anyway. Instead, you rely on very basic courtesy, recently improvised rules of thumb, sincere good will, and apologies. QC is a comedy of bad manners because it is concerned with how you act when you are inevitably going to have bad manners sometimes. Clinton just made a gross social blunder by embracing Elliot and telling him to try his luck with the cute guy, but it will be OK because it was done good-heartedly. Renee blunders by overprotecting and micromanaging Brun's life, but it will be OK because it is done out of sincere concern. They all blunder, realize, apologize, and try again. It's how things work there.
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What? Do we even read the same comic? lol. The only person who rival's Renee's assholeish behavior is Faye who HAS been called on it, at least here in the forums - even as a main character. Also, Clinton hugging Elliot wasn't a gross social blunder??
It has nothing to do with some weird vendetta against 'capable women'.
awgiedawgie:
--- Quote from: snufflebottoms on 30 Mar 2018, 18:20 ---What? Do we even read the same comic? lol. The only person who rival's Renee's assholeish behavior is Faye who HAS been called on it, at least here in the forums - even as a main character.
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Sorry, I don't see it. I thought I might be missing something, so I went back and re-read all the bits with Renee in them, but I just don't see her behaviour as that of an asshole. She's very overprotective of Brun, and despite her outgoing nature, she's almost as socially awkward as Brun. She wants her friends to be safe and happy, and she gets overly excited about trying to make that happen, but that makes her annoying, not an asshole.
snufflebottoms:
--- Quote from: awgiedawgie on 30 Mar 2018, 18:56 ---
--- Quote from: snufflebottoms on 30 Mar 2018, 18:20 ---What? Do we even read the same comic? lol. The only person who rival's Renee's assholeish behavior is Faye who HAS been called on it, at least here in the forums - even as a main character.
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Sorry, I don't see it. I thought I might be missing something, so I went back and re-read all the bits with Renee in them, but I just don't see her behaviour as that of an asshole. She's very overprotective of Brun, and despite her outgoing nature, she's almost as socially awkward as Brun. She wants her friends to be safe and happy, and she gets overly excited about trying to make that happen, but that makes her annoying, not an asshole.
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My main point was that in the forums, Faye's asshole-ish (like hitting people and saying mean things) behavior has been discussed so it def. isn't people having a problem with how "capable" Renee is and targeting her specifically. Some people just like different and dislike different characters.
I personally think she's a toxic friend who is condescending and that she sexually harassed Elliot. I also just don't like her which I will fully admit. I happen to like Dora a lot - and Dora is arguably the most capable woman in the comic.
Is it cold in here?:
Since you said "arguably" I'll take the opening to suggest Bubbles instead. But your point stands.
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