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(CW/TW: Abuse) WCDT strips 3731-3735 (30th April to 4th May 2018)

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Case:

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3) It's not perceived to be as threatening, because it's done by a woman, and therefore, according to the SJW enforced gender constructs, can't be threatening.

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You know, I think you got the wrong end of the stick here. For example:


--- Quote ---Historical sources and their analysis in academic literature establish that intimate violence has been a cause for concern stemming from at least England’s medieval times. While men-as-perpetrators of violence on wives or female partners could be prosecuted or subject to public exposure, ironically men-as-victims of their wives’ violence were subject to punishment. This punishment took several forms, one of which was a form of public exposure known as a “Skimmington” procession: a public humiliation derived from Charivari rituals widespread in early Europe. The history of Skimmington is reviewed and inferences drawn.

Skimmington Revisited
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(Unless "SJWs" invented a time-machine and enforced gender-constructs in medieval England, that is ...  )

Shjade:

--- Quote from: Thrillho on 04 May 2018, 04:50 ---This is a legitimate thing to raise, however; Jeph was a lot less 'woke' for lack of a better term in the early days, and so Faye's early period of physical violence is something that's kind of been retconned a little into the outward expression of someone who's been through abuse. Or Jeph has used that as a Trojan horse to reel people into her story, I don't know. But this comic is the first time I've even seen her violent tendencies mentioned in a little while.

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For what it's worth, I always took it as part of her alcoholism and general self-destructive tendencies. Lashing out toward others was part of that whole storm.

Sure, it could be coincidental or plot contrivance that her violent/bullying tendencies have significantly decreased since she stopped drinking, but it would also just plain make sense.

Is it cold in here?:
Now that's an insight!

Here's an aspect I don't think has been brought up yet. One of the many aspects of compatibility for a couple is having similar levels of intelligence.

Faye was earning straight A's in school. Bubbles has erudite speech patterns.

awgiedawgie:

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--- Quote from: SpanielBear on 06 May 2018, 06:03 ---Question, without going into the morality or nature of those instances (and once you have finished breakfast, naturally), how many were recent and how many were back in the days of cartoon logic applying more (e.g. vespa-avenger, random monks, Scorn being capable of physically hurling a body through space etc.)?
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Again, that's a question I want to ask neutrally- I don't mean to defend her violence, I'm just curious about how it has developed alongside the changing tone of the comic.

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I'll just make a list, but it'll take a little while.


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That's really good of you. Just a general idea would be good- my bias is towards the majority being early in the comc's run, but I don't want to make assumptions.


I don't think for a moment that the difference in tone makes the depictions of violence easier to see, but in discussing Faye's underlying character and the extent to which she is a bully rather than a source of slapstick it would be useful.
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OK, here we go...


I included actual instances of hitting, as well as threats. I also included occasions when she didn't punch someone.
I placed an asterisk next to any of them that I think were justified, or other things that I don't count against her. YMMV


Someone brought up a fair question of whether it's ethical to inflict violence on a robot that doesn't suffer any lasting damage. Granted, all the times she did anything to Pintsize, they were justified, so the question is sort of moot anyway. And he seemed to provoke her intentionally, knowing that she'd pound him.


I'd like to point out that I've never hit anyone out of anger, and I've never hit a partner even in fun - that's just the way I was raised. But there were still a couple of times on the list where I would have done the same thing Faye did.


Although she started loosening up a little even before then, it seems the real turning point was when she finally came out to Marten about her father's death. That was strips #500-509. There have been very few unjustified instances since then. Including both punching and threats, and counting the ones I considered to be justified, there were as many instances in the first 500 strips as there have been in the 3000 strips since then.


Caution: It's kind of a long list with all that on it.
(click to show/hide)

* Threatened to "stab you and poop in the wound" if she sensed any lusting from Marten or Steve - 4
* * Tittie twister - 13 - (I don't count that - it's a juvenile prank that half the people I know have done to someone at some point)
* Sort of a threat just for saying she was hot without her glasses - 67
* First time we see her punch Marten was after he used HIS insurance to replace HER glasses - 69
* Marten's and Faye's comments both imply that it was NOT in fact the first time she had hit him - 74
* Restrained herself, but implied that she really WANTED to punch Dora - 75
* Sort of a threat just for Marten being a smartass - 120
* Punched Marten because she inferred seduction; Marten said "I think you broke my arm" - 123
* * ...and then apologized for it - 124
* * Knocked out Agent Turing to save Pintsize - 148 - (doesn't count - even Marten had his fists balled up ready to hit him)
* Punched Dora for an ill-timed double-entendre - 244
* Sort of an inverse threat (is that a thing?) - 268
* * Threatened Pintsize - 269 - (he deserved it)
* Implies she wants to punch Marten - 276
* Sort of an oblique threat to Steve - 282
* Implied she would have punched Marten if she hadn't basically asked for his smart remark - 289
* Punched Marten and implied more because he joked about a Dora/Faye threeway - She'd been drinking, but wasn't actually drunk - 305
* * Shows sincere remorse for the way she treats people - 341
* Body-flipped Raven for grabbing her from behind - 363
* ...and then apologized for it - 364
* * Marten alluded to getting beaten with a 2X4 - 372 (I honestly believe he was joking, and that Faye just went along with the joke)
* Faye Flattened Marten for smacking her ass, but felt sorry about it; next strip Marten says "I seriously think I might have a concussion." - 378
* * Faye Sonic Hip Attacked Pintsize. Again, he deserved it. - 387
* * Faye must have been really tired (or it was the beginning of her "loosening up") because she DIDN'T hit Marten for joking about having sloppy make-outs. - 395
* * Marten and Dora complimented Faye on loosening up and not making them fear for their lives - 416
* * Threatened Pintsize's houseguests. Yeah, they're as crude as he is. - 428
* Faye talks about her first instinct being to hit Marten - 438
* * Raven calls Faye on being mean to Marten - 444
* * DIDN'T hit Raven for grabbing Marten's ass - 495
* ** Milestone: Faye tells Marten about her father - 500-509
* * Faye implies that her days of hitting people are behind her - 539
* * Faye DIDN'T hit Dora for pouncing on Marten - 568
* * Only a lighthearted punch on Dora's arm - 579 - (doesn't count)
* * Hit her sister - 617 - (doesn't count - even their Mom thought it was funny)
* * DIDN'T punch Sven for getting Marten involved in his shenanigans - 682
* * Only a lighthearted punch for Penny as Faye and Dora are "convincing" her to work at CoD - 700
* * Faye and Dora beat up the Vespavenger - 748 - (doesn't count - she needed a good beating, and they did call the cops afterward)
* * Threw Angus across the barroom because he wouldn't leave her alone when she repeatedly asked him to - Frankly, I would have done the same thing in her shoes - 783
* * Was too shocked to react to Mr. Bianchi when he pinched her - 982
* * Demolished Pintsize for an extremely lewd suggestion - he continues to deserve it - 1450
* * Implied she's going to punch Marten, but don't know if she actually went through with it - 1462
* Punched Hanners because Marten's Dad smacked her ass - Almost the only time we've seen her hit anyone while drunk - 1521
* * Faye says she punched Sven in the dick after he made a 69 joke. - 1641
* Punched Angus in the arm - No idea why, although she did say he deserved it - 1681
* * Threatened Dora if she didn't get therapy after she broke up with Marten - 1802 - (I can't count that - I would have done the same thing)
* * Knocked Marten out for coming on to her when he was drunk - Anybody would have done the same thing - 1818
* * Threw Pintsize across the room for goatse'ing Marten's Mom - 1829
* * Slapped Clinton with his own hand, after his hand had grabbed her boob - 1912
* * Smacked Angus for staring at Marigold's ass - 2290
* Punched Marten while she was semi-conscious in the ER suffering from alcohol poisoning - 2882
* * She didn't actually threaten Claire, but she did intimidate her - and Marten called her on it - 2930
* * Threatened to beat up Marten if Claire didn't come over - Frankly, I doubt very much that she'd have gone through with it - 2975
* Marten implied that Faye often used to hit people when she was drunk - but we almost never saw that side of her - 3071
* * A lighthearted punch for Marten being a smartass - 3085
* * Caved Pintsize's head in with a rolling pin - yeah, he asked for it... again - 3336
* * Caved Corpse Witch's face in for threatening May - I would have done worse - 3365
* * Had a little "chat" with Claire about leaving hair in the shower - She actually handled it quite well, especially considering her history - 3604
* * Realized threats of violence don't work on someone twice her size - 3667
* * Still has the punching instinct, but has learned to control it - 3735EDIT: Added #1641

Tova:
That is a mightily impressive list. Well done.

I've got another for you.

* Faye says she punched Sven in the dick after he made a 69 joke. - 1641

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