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WCDT strips 3736-3740 (May 6th-10th 2018)
Is it cold in here?:
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--- Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 11 May 2018, 21:01 ---Bubbles is a walking talking LTR. Long term as in she is going to outlive Faye. Can she commit to the level of grief she will endure sixty years from now?
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Alternatively, Bubbles could take the Bicentennial Man route and mod in some mortality.
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It's possible that mortality is already built in. I am reminded of an anime that features a retired battle android who whiles away as a civilian her last remaining days before she shuts down.
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There's a very early strip, too early to be canon about robots, where Pintsize asks how long he's going to live. Marten had never considered the question but figured that the software part of Pintsize could keep going forever.
Shjade:
--- Quote from: Castlerook on 12 May 2018, 05:39 ---
--- Quote from: BenRG on 12 May 2018, 00:00 ---FWIW, I've always liked the form of AI mortality in the Halo universe: As the AI algorithm learns, it becomes progressively larger and more complicated until it becomes too bulky to process and begins to break down (a process not dissimilar to senility in humans). It doesn't feel like imposed 'retirement' or anything else forced; it's a part of their fundamental nature - true mortality rather than electronic euthanasia.
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But you do realise that in that example, rampancy is incredibly dangerous, due to the affected AI developing delusions of god-like grandeur.
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"P.S. If things around here aren't working, it's because I'm laughing so hard."
BenRG:
--- Quote from: Castlerook on 12 May 2018, 05:39 ---
--- Quote from: BenRG on 12 May 2018, 00:00 ---FWIW, I've always liked the form of AI mortality in the Halo universe: As the AI algorithm learns, it becomes progressively larger and more complicated until it becomes too bulky to process and begins to break down (a process not dissimilar to senility in humans). It doesn't feel like imposed 'retirement' or anything else forced; it's a part of their fundamental nature - true mortality rather than electronic euthanasia.
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But you do realise that in that example, rampancy is incredibly dangerous, due to the affected AI developing delusions of god-like grandeur.
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Yes, I'm aware of that aspect of it but it is handled relatively easily by continual performance monitoring by even relatively-untrained persons.
The only reason Cortana became so dangerous in Halo 4 was because she had been running, unmonitored and entirely alone, for several years. So her condition had reached a serious level where she was a danger to others and had been exacerbated by having been in a situation that would likely drive an otherwise-healthy human into psychosis.
However, the point I'm making is that I like it on a narrative level. Almost any other form of AI mortality requires some manner of conscious action, either during the creation of the AI or when it is assessed to have reached the end of its useful lifespan. The old age of Halo AIs has the feel of a natural mortality rather than something imposed.
Is it cold in here?:
--- Quote from: awgiedawgie on 10 May 2018, 21:48 ---
--- Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 10 May 2018, 21:34 ---I wonder about this. One of the ingredients of compatibility for human/human relationships is having similar backgrounds. Shared experiences and being from the same socio-economic class help no end. Love conquers all only occasionally.
It is easiest for people who have been in the service to relate to other veterans.
Bubbles as far as we know never had a childhood. There's one enormous difference in backgrounds right there.
Faye is not a veteran.
I hope they are one of the Love Conquers All situations.
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Pretty much the only background factor they share is that they have both experienced terrible loss, and did not handle it in the best way.
That is not the best thing for two people to have in common. It makes it much harder for them to fully rely on anyone, and that can put strain on any relationship, but especially on a romantic one.
They have both made stellar progress in trusting each other, but they are presently staring down a HUGE step in their friendship.
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Can we say that Bubbles also handled her trauma with addiction?
There's big money running media that gives organics regular fixes of outrage. We seem to be able to get addicted to anger. Would it be the same for synthetics?
awgiedawgie:
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--- Quote from: awgiedawgie on 10 May 2018, 21:48 ---Pretty much the only background factor they share is that they have both experienced terrible loss, and did not handle it in the best way.
That is not the best thing for two people to have in common. It makes it much harder for them to fully rely on anyone, and that can put strain on any relationship, but especially on a romantic one.
They have both made stellar progress in trusting each other, but they are presently staring down a HUGE step in their friendship.
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Can we say that Bubbles also handled her trauma with addiction?
There's big money running media that gives organics regular fixes of outrage. We seem to be able to get addicted to anger. Would it be the same for synthetics?
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I guess I never saw Bubbles as the angry type. True, she had occasional outbursts, but they were not all that frequent. I think if she had been the angry type, she would have been in the fights at the skate park - getting a rush, as it were, from beating the crap out of people. For the most part, she had a good handle on her anger - mostly taking it out on punching bags. We only saw her get really mad a couple of times.
No, she handled her trauma with seclusion - sequestering herself from virtually every kind of social interaction, when social interaction is exactly what she needed. Yes, I know, Corpse Witch had a hand in that as well. But Bubbles said she didn't go out in public because she didn't want to make humans uncomfortable by her presence, but I surmise that it was actually because she did not want to allow herself to get emotionally attached to anyone, for fear of losing them the way she lost her squad. It's not a rational way of thinking, just the same as it was irrational for Faye to avoid emotional attachment for fear that someone else would leave her the way her father did. But rational or not, when you handle pain with avoidance, it tends to not get any better. As Marten said, "what you're doing right now isn't healing, it's stasis."
Both Faye and Bubbles have taken huge steps toward healing. For Faye, it was finally opening up to Marten about her father. Once she did that, it became easier to open up to everyone else as well. Then getting into therapy, and taking the next step and actually allowing herself to have a relationship. Yes, she took a huge step backward when she drank herself into oblivion after Angus left, but she has been getting better nonetheless.
For Bubbles, it was the decision to face the memories of her squad once again (unaware that those memories were gone). That was a big step, and a hard one. But it made it easier for her to open up to Faye about what had happened. And then taking off her armor was the next big step. Her armor was her security blanket. Choosing to take it off was choosing to make herself vulnerable.
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