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What is Bubbles' sexual orientation?
OldGoat:
--- Quote from: SpanielBear on 17 May 2018, 10:45 ---
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--- Quote from: SpanielBear on 17 May 2018, 10:20 ---Going off topic here, but the idea of hard-wired loyalty creeps me out. Feels both prescriptive and enforced. Assuming that AI's are able to make free choices, their personality must necessarily be emergent, not pre-programmed.
Which means they get to own any qualities or vices they possess. At least to the same extent as humans do. Which seems fair enough.
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That's what I'm wondering. Does Bubbs' intrinsic loyalty originate with her base programming, something that happened as her personality was complied in the creche that had little or nothing to do with her base code, or did it develop of its own accord? Was she programmed that way because she was created to be a soldier, or was she drawn toward the military because of that personality trait?
Jeph may or may not choose to drill down that far into this world he's created.
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Well, two things off the bat- a) she wasn't programmed for the military, she chose it. Her psychological profile certainly played a part in that choice, but it doesn't offer any clues as to how it came about. That leads to b), her choice met with concern and disapproval from the AI community. Assuming they play the role of parent, that implies her choices are emergent and developmental rather than imposed by her creators- why create an AI to make choices you disapprove of?
We know the process of AI creation is barely understood, so manipulating it to create specific traits seems like it would require insight that just isn't available, even to the God AI's. Spookybot also confirmed that they view messing with personality, memory and minds in general as a massive taboo, so again they are unlikely to inflict that on their children.
Finally, if her personality wasn't emergent, it couldn't change over time- the software wouldn't allow it. But she has changed her personality, opening up and becoming more emotionally vulnerable. If she has the ability to develop psychologically now, it seems odd that that wouldn't be a capacity she's always had.
TLDR- Bubbles is loyal, but she wasn't made that way.
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While creating AIs for the military may be frowned upon, it's naive to think someone hasn't tried and won't try again. (There's another story line for Jeph to pursue if he so chooses.) As for Spookybot not letting it happen, they isn't a deity, they're just very good a faking it. They're not omniscient and had to enlist Emily's aid, and they fake omnipresence with multiple linked selves physically present, presumably in the same metropolitan area.
Remember, if there's a God in this QC universe, his name is Jeph. He's revealing AI traits like talents and sexuality bit by bit as he goes along.
SpanielBear:
--- Quote from: OldGoat on 17 May 2018, 11:34 ---While creating AIs for the military may be frowned upon, it's naive to think someone hasn't tried and won't try again. (There's another story line for Jeph to pursue if he so chooses.) As for Spookybot not letting it happen, they isn't a deity, they're just very good a faking it. They're not omniscient and had to enlist Emily's aid, and they fake omnipresence with multiple linked selves physically present, presumably in the same metropolitan area.
Remember, if there's a God in this QC universe, his name is Jeph. He's revealing AI traits like talents and sexuality bit by bit as he goes along.
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Okay... Well, taking all that as true (which I have to admit, I'm uncertain about (God AI in the QCverse just means "Capable of thinking on a level that is alien to humanity", at least that's how I meant to use the term)) that still doesn't mean it follows that Bubbles is programmed to "be" anything.
I totally agree that we haven't seen very much revealed about AI, but what we have seen mostly emphasises that those that desire a social life with humans share nearly all the traits that would make them both relatable and able to empathise with us. That includes being able to form relationships, and change in personality based on them, as well as other experiences.
As a final point (and again I think this is straying very far from the thread topic), think about May. Not only has she committed a crime, but she served a custodial sentence that (given she was released on parole) was at least intended to be remedial. Again, how does that make any sense if an AI's personality and actions are pre-programmed?
Is it cold in here?:
--- Quote from: pwhodges on 17 May 2018, 00:45 ---We are discussing the sexuality of AIs in terms that precisely mirror those for humans.
My question is, has a form of sexuality similar to that of humans arisen as part of the emergence of the AI mind itself, or has it been (consciously or unconsciously) imposed on them, and if so, by whom - the society in which they have emerged, the author, or us, the readership?
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Jeph said once that nobody in-universe knows where robot libidos come from.
Is it cold in here?:
--- Quote from: fayelovesbubbles on 17 May 2018, 10:49 ---Faye has been cheated on before. It will come up between them at some point, but dammit I just want to enjoy the newness of their relationship right now!
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You mean like Faye being afraid she's being cheated on? That would require massive insecurity even by Faye standards.
They don't need to have the health talk but they might talk about past relationships as a matter of establishing emotional background. Any lover of Faye needs to know her history. Bubbles would have to reciprocate. If we see that talk we'll find out whether Bubbles has shown any orientation toward women before.
I just started to wonder whether Jeph was forcing the relationship to happen so he could write about interspecies romance. Then it ht me. What does Faye need most? An emotional center to her life who will never move to New York or shoot himself in the head. I would have picked Marten as the one to provide what Bubbles needs but Faye seems to be taking care of that OK.
I like "Fayesexual" because it rhymes with "asexual" and therefore brings it to mind.
SpanielBear:
--- Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 17 May 2018, 14:33 ---What does Faye need most? An emotional center to her life who will never move to New York or shoot himself in the head.
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