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Pintsize: Good is not necessarily nice.

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Gyrre:

--- Quote from: Carl-E on 24 May 2018, 05:12 ---Sounds like Spookybot (and I preferred the term Eminence Grey when they were introduced) is actually Lawful, not chaotic.  Carefully controlled, and deeply principled. 


Probably Neutral, but definitely Lawful.

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Would Momo be neutral good, then?

EDIT: typo fix

awgiedawgie:

--- Quote from: pecoros7 on 24 May 2018, 00:13 ---
--- Quote from: awgiedawgie on 23 May 2018, 23:32 ---They did say that it was one of the moral principles to which they adhere. They may not have many, but sanctity of mind is one of them. I reason that they find it distasteful because they consider it immoral.

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Yes, but why? Why would that be the one? Most morality (that isn't presumed to be divine diktat) is the product of self interest. We find murder repulsive because we want to not be murdered. We oppose theft because we want to not be stolen from. When we see the benefit of living in a society that does not permit its members to murder and steal, we adopt those principles. Granted, there is a lot of pro-social behavior that is hard wired into our brains; sympathetic neurons that imagine ourselves in other people's situations and such, but those mechanisms arise because altruism is compatible with self interest.

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The "why" will remain uncertain unless they decide to reveal it themselves.

Personally, I find murder and stealing repulsive because of the value I place on others. However, I can only speak for certain about why I myself think, feel, or believe the way I do. The same goes for you, Spookybot, or anyone else. Granted, the study of psychology can shed a little light on why humans think in certain ways, but AI psychology is an unexplored area, particularly when the AI has demonstrated that level of omniscience and omnipotence.

We can each have our own theories about the uncertain, and that's fine (well, you know... as long as those theories aren't completely bloody insane). I think Spookybot is absolutely sure of their power, and I don't think they are at all unsure about the safety of their mind - from Corpse Witch or anyone else. So I don't think their principles on the sanctity of the AI mind are selfishly derived.

Is it cold in here?:
Momo is Lawful, I'm sure, and it may limit her effectiveness.

bhtooefr:
Momo's shown signs of embracing the Neutral perspective, though, when realizing where Lawfulness breaks down.

Dandi Andi:
I suppose what I'm trying to get at is that sanctity of mind is the one thing about which they can actually relate to other AIs about. Even if they don't think Corpse Witch could actually hurt them, the idea of having their mind altered or attacked is one which they can imagine. It is something which, at least in theory, could happen to them. Being distributed across so many platforms, having a single body damaged or destroyed isn't a real threat. Being attacked physically just doesn't have the same weight as it would to other AI or to humans. I suspect that's why they're so blase about knocking out Dora and Emily or paralyzing Faye.Even if they are technically aware that it's something humans don't like, they simply cannot relate to their objections in any meaningful way. But violating Bubbles's mind was something they could understand in a real and visceral way.

Of course we don't kill and steal because we have compassion for our fellow sapient creatures. I genuinely want to go through life hurting as few people as possible. But that desire is rooted in my own desire to not be hurt. If I didn't have a sense of violence as something I want to not happen to me, I would not likely be moved by violence happening to anyone else. I can picture myself in their position and imagine how they would feel about it. And even when my compassion is overrun by my anger, I can still realize that giving in to the temptation to violence is a bad idea for myself and society because I know how bad things would get if we, as a society, tolerated violence no matter how thoroughly I had convinced myself they deserved it.

Spookybot is someone completely alien to us. They have few moral standards because they cannot relate to us or our suffering. But the one thing they can relate to is being a conscious mind. They can look at Bubbles's situation and say "I may not know what it's like to have your mind altered, but I can imagine it and I would be equal parts terrified and outraged." And I suspect that's why they were hesitant to enter Bubbles's mind themselves. It would be dangerous for them or any other AI to do so. Even if they were absolutely confident in their ability to handle any malware present in Bubbles's mind, why take a chance if you don't have to? Emily, however, was a perfectly safe choice. There was no way for any malware to harm her even if it tried.

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