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Pintsize: Good is not necessarily nice.
Pennepasta:
--- Quote from: ImVeryAngryItsNotButter on 25 May 2018, 01:31 ---
--- Quote from: sniktchtherat on 22 May 2018, 07:10 ---consider how many times Pintsize has faced what might be considered an AI's chief fear - deactivation. Being manually shut down, in a way that prevents him from kicking back on. Externally being rendered non-conscious is TERRIFYING to most people, and I honestly can't imagine it being any less so for an AI. Pintsize has, on [several] occasions... been forcibly shut off. The [most recent] was the result of whatever happened between him and Faye the night she nearly drank herself to death.
The general consensus amongst forumgoers is he tried to stop her, and she reacted to that by stopping HIM.
He still did it. He has never called her to account for her actions, either. That says something about a person.
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Has it been established that Pintsize actually lives in his chassis? I know some AIs like Roko and Bubbles have had only one body, and May is confined to hers due to probation, but I'm not sure that same rule applies to Pintsize; I think he has backup servers that he can go to in case his main body is put out of commission.
My understanding is that for Pintsize, it's not so much being rendered unconscious and more like his roommates are kicking him out and confiscating his housekeys; admittedly that's not a nice thing to do to someone, but it's a far cry from knocking them out.
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There's been worries that pintsize might be gone forever after one of the technical issues he's had. Probably the rerouting power idea, but can't quite remember offhand. Marten was panicked, so doubt pintsize is living elsewhere.
sniktchtherat:
RE the 'virtual environment' - per http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3403 it's not a physical environment - Bubbles is able to see her body still sitting in the chair. If her body is not experiencing it, then her mind must be - which de facto makes it mental intrusion by my logic. If the same visual effect means the same thing for Corpse Witch, then Spooky got into her head regardless of the overlay they provided.
Does it mean they violated their own principle? Possibly. It could also mean their sanctity of mind principle is flexible, or far more nuanced than presented; it's not TECHNICALLY invading a mind if all you do is broadcast an overwhelmingly-powerful line-of-sight data transmission that on standard protocol decoding resolves into a mental projection that feels completely real to the AI in question and forcibly triggers a reciprocal connection... Obi Wan showed just how far that sophistry can be pulled. I'll also point out it is fairly well-established that AIs CAN lie, and as such trusting Spooky on their word is not without risk, doubly so given their open joy at screwing with other people's heads - and the three-mile smile on their face when they're making Corpse Witch dance. This is not a Nice Person.
RE Pintsize and chassis: Pintsize is pretty solidly established as being a standard AI - his mind is in his chassis. If his chassis is shut off, the BEST outcome I can imagine is unconsciousness for him. The worst is sudden, complete sensory deprivation for an unknown and unknowable span of time. Thus why him not attempting to call Faye out on shutting him off is significant to his character.
Momo is an interesting case - she is VERY by-the-rules, save when May's welfare was in play. Even then, it took a failure of the system in a pretty big way AND a fair amount of working up before she suggested the fight club solution. I'd argue she is more motivated by justice than law, but recognizes that without law, 'justice' is whim. Which leaves her open to some interesting conflicts if Jeph ever decides to move the series in a darker direction.
Is it cold in here?:
Entering someone's mind for the purpose of protecting others might be OK to them. Many humans hold themselves to similar rules about physical violence.
awgiedawgie:
--- Quote from: Pennepasta on 25 May 2018, 03:38 ---
--- Quote from: ImVeryAngryItsNotButter on 25 May 2018, 01:31 ---
--- Quote from: sniktchtherat on 22 May 2018, 07:10 ---consider how many times Pintsize has faced what might be considered an AI's chief fear - deactivation. Being manually shut down, in a way that prevents him from kicking back on. Externally being rendered non-conscious is TERRIFYING to most people, and I honestly can't imagine it being any less so for an AI. Pintsize has, on [several] occasions... been forcibly shut off. The [most recent] was the result of whatever happened between him and Faye the night she nearly drank herself to death.
The general consensus amongst forumgoers is he tried to stop her, and she reacted to that by stopping HIM.
He still did it. He has never called her to account for her actions, either. That says something about a person.
--- End quote ---
Has it been established that Pintsize actually lives in his chassis? I know some AIs like Roko and Bubbles have had only one body, and May is confined to hers due to probation, but I'm not sure that same rule applies to Pintsize; I think he has backup servers that he can go to in case his main body is put out of commission.
My understanding is that for Pintsize, it's not so much being rendered unconscious and more like his roommates are kicking him out and confiscating his housekeys; admittedly that's not a nice thing to do to someone, but it's a far cry from knocking them out.
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There's been worries that pintsize might be gone forever after one of the technical issues he's had. Probably the rerouting power idea, but can't quite remember offhand. Marten was panicked, so doubt pintsize is living elsewhere.
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Faye did apologize for turning Pintsize off, so there was no need for him to call her to account for it.
The time Marten expressed concern that Pintsize might be... well, "gone forever" isn't exactly right, because he'd still technically be Pintsize... but definitely never the same, was after the virus, because his memories might be gone, and Marten didn't have a backup. They were concerned about him after he rewired himself, but it seemed to be more of a concern that his chassis wouldn't boot up, rather than him. But no, Pintsize doesn't live anywhere else. If Marten doesn't keep backups (which would be creepy, even by Pintsize's standards), then Pintsize really is only inside his chassis. So shutting him off really is similar to knocking someone out.
SmilingCat:
--- Quote from: Pennepasta on 25 May 2018, 03:38 ---There's been worries that pintsize might be gone forever after one of the technical issues he's had. Probably the rerouting power idea, but can't quite remember offhand. Marten was panicked, so doubt pintsize is living elsewhere.
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The "might be gone forever" comment was when Pintsize picked up a virus. In that comic it was stated that Marten had a backup of pintsize, but deleted it after pintsize got the new chassis. In a much later comic, when they were trying to figure out what the unknown (pizza delivery) beacon did, Marten specifically comments that Pintsize has a backup, having apparently learned from his mistake.
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