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WCDT strips 3751-3755 (28th May to 1st June 2018)
Dandi Andi:
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We only see their relationship after the fire though. We don't know how protective Rene was of Brun before that. And the only red or yellow flags I can see from Brun point to being on the spectrum. Any anxiety expressed has been from Rene, not from Brun.
I'm not saying that a history of abuse isn't possible, but there are more obvious and mundane reasons for Rene to be protective and that makes abuse a bit of a logical leap for me.
Neko_Ali:
--- Quote from: Inconsequential on 29 May 2018, 10:06 ---It took me a little while to remember that Roko has a last name, Basilisk. Wonder why more AIs don't seem to use last names? ("Corpse Witch" just seems like a first name to me, but I dunno.)
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AIs probably don't have a last name because the primary reason they exist is to establish a family. Humans use last names to identify who they are related to. AIs don't have that. As I talked about in another thread there has been no indication of AIs having parents, children or siblings. An AI just seems to happen and is kept in sort of AI Nursery probably until they have absorbed enough information to operate as independent entities. Momo is only a few years old yet in most ways she's more mature than Marigold.
The other reason for multiple names is to identify people with similar names. How many AI out there are named Gary? They would need some way to identify between two AI with the same name. We're not sure just how big the AI population is though. It's possible there just aren't a lot and every AI has taken or been given an individual name. Of course that doesn't help when an AI takes a common name for a human, in cases where you can't tell they are a robot, like in writing. Unlike the show Big O where androids names all started with the letter R. ie, R.Dorothy.
As far as why Roko has two names, her name is based on Roko's Basilisk people have pointed out. The name of a theory or thought experiment about the dangers of developing AI intelligence. Interesting that someone who chose the profession of police officer has that name as an AI cop.
Case:
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--- Quote from: Inconsequential on 29 May 2018, 10:06 ---It took me a little while to remember that Roko has a last name, Basilisk. Wonder why more AIs don't seem to use last names? ("Corpse Witch" just seems like a first name to me, but I dunno.)
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AIs probably don't have a last name because the primary reason they exist is to establish a family.
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You sure about that? Or about the universal validity of that statement? When you have a registry or phonebook, that thought makes sense - only those are very, very recent innovations at least amongst Europids
--- Quote ---Surnames have not always existed and today are not universal in all cultures. This tradition has arisen separately in different cultures around the world. In Europe, the concept of surnames became popular in the Roman Empire and expanded throughout the Mediterranean and Western Europe as a result. During the Middle Ages this practice died out as Germanic, Persian, and other influences took hold. During the late Middle Ages surnames gradually re-emerged, first in the form of bynames (typically indicating individual's occupation or area of residence), which gradually evolved into modern surnames. In China surnames have been the norm since at least the 2nd century BC.
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The 14 most common surnames in Germany all indicate (medieval) occupations (and IIRC, the concept of surnames didn't become widespread hereabouts until about 200 years ago):
1. Müller, occupation (miller)
2. Schmidt, occupation (smith) (all homophones combined would rank first)
3. Schneider, occupation (tailor)
4. Fischer, occupation (fisherman)
5. Weber, occupation (weaver)
6. Mayer, occupation (originally a manorial landlord, later a self-employed farmer) (all homophones combined would rank second)
7. Wagner, occupation (wainwright)
8. Becker, occupation (baker)
9. Schulz, occupation (medieval sheriff)
10. Hoffmann, occupation (steward or courtier)
11. Schäfer, occupation (shepherd)
12. Koch, occupation (cook)
13. Bauer, occupation (farmer or peasant)
14. Richter, occupation (judge)
The line is interrupted for the first time at place 15 with "Klein" - "(the) little (one)". The 100 most common surnames in German are derived from: occupations, traits, first names and, very rarely: housenames (König, Kaiser - King, Emperor, respectively) or tribe.
All in all, 47 of the 100 most common surnames in Germany indicate occupations. The occupation of farmer ('Bauer' in German, place 13) was so widespread that it was unsuited to differentiate between different people living even in very small rural communities - hence, German farmers often had surnames referencing their place of residence ('Berg(mann)' or 'Bach(mann)' - mountain(-man) and 'creek(-man)', respectively).
Could be its different with you 'Merricans, but Krauts seemed to find it more practical to associate people with what they were doing, or where they were doing it - maybe because those are pretty handy ways of locating the respective individual, when you don't have a county clerk's registry.
Edit: Spanish naming customs even use two surnames.
Greymoon:
--- Quote from: Case on 29 May 2018, 15:22 ---
--- Quote from: Neko_Ali on 29 May 2018, 14:34 ---
--- Quote from: Inconsequential on 29 May 2018, 10:06 ---It took me a little while to remember that Roko has a last name, Basilisk. Wonder why more AIs don't seem to use last names? ("Corpse Witch" just seems like a first name to me, but I dunno.)
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AIs probably don't have a last name because the primary reason they exist is to establish a family.
--- End quote ---
You sure about that? Or about the universal validity of that statement? When you have a registry or phonebook, that thought makes sense - only those are very, very recent innovations at least amongst Europids
--- Quote ---Surnames have not always existed and today are not universal in all cultures. This tradition has arisen separately in different cultures around the world. In Europe, the concept of surnames became popular in the Roman Empire and expanded throughout the Mediterranean and Western Europe as a result. During the Middle Ages this practice died out as Germanic, Persian, and other influences took hold. During the late Middle Ages surnames gradually re-emerged, first in the form of bynames (typically indicating individual's occupation or area of residence), which gradually evolved into modern surnames. In China surnames have been the norm since at least the 2nd century BC.
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The 14 most common surnames in Germany all indicate (medieval) occupations (and IIRC, the concept of surnames didn't become widespread hereabouts until about 200 years ago):
1. Müller, occupation (miller)
2. Schmidt, occupation (smith) (all homophones combined would rank first)
3. Schneider, occupation (tailor)
4. Fischer, occupation (fisherman)
5. Weber, occupation (weaver)
6. Mayer, occupation (originally a manorial landlord, later a self-employed farmer) (all homophones combined would rank second)
7. Wagner, occupation (wainwright)
8. Becker, occupation (baker)
9. Schulz, occupation (medieval sheriff)
10. Hoffmann, occupation (steward or courtier)
11. Schäfer, occupation (shepherd)
12. Koch, occupation (cook)
13. Bauer, occupation (farmer or peasant)
14. Richter, occupation (judge)
The line is interrupted for the first time at place 15 with "Klein" - "(the) little (one)". The 100 most common surnames in German are derived from: occupations, traits, first names and, very rarely: housenames (König, Kaiser - King, Emperor, respectively) or tribe.
All in all, 47 of the 100 most common surnames in Germany indicate occupations. The occupation of farmer ('Bauer' in German, place 13) was so widespread that it was unsuited to differentiate between different people living even in very small rural communities - hence, German farmers often had surnames referencing their place of residence ('Berg(mann)' or 'Bach(mann)' - mountain(-man) and 'creek(-man)', respectively).
Could be its different with you 'Merricans, but Krauts seemed to find it more practical to associate people with what they were doing, or where they were doing it - maybe because those are pretty handy ways of locating the respective individual, when you don't have a county clerk's registry.
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Somehow, "Roko Cop" seems a bit much ;)
Undrneath:
I wonder if Roko chose Basilisk or if someone important to her gave it.
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